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    Default Cauldronisation

    "One can only hope that we turn the region into a cauldron, and faster, please. If ever there were a region that richly deserved being cauldronised, it is the Middle East today."Ledeen 2002

    the most horrible and depressing and simplistic and revealing and true US policy statement i ever heard

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    Quote Originally Posted by sufi View Post
    "One can only hope that we turn the region into a cauldron, and faster, please. If ever there were a region that richly deserved being cauldronised, it is the Middle East today."Ledeen 2002

    the most horrible and depressing and simplistic and revealing and true US policy statement i ever heard
    Having not read a single word about Bolivia I'm willing to entertain the possibility that this particular military coup in Latin America is the good kind of Latin American military coup and this particular democratically elected socialist leader was the very bad kind of democratically elected socialist leader but there are precedents for this kind of thing, and people, lazy and racist as they are, fall into lazy, racist generalisations.

    Long live the generalissimo up the revolution

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    Quote Originally Posted by sufi View Post
    "One can only hope that we turn the region into a cauldron, and faster, please. If ever there were a region that richly deserved being cauldronised, it is the Middle East today."Ledeen 2002

    the most horrible and depressing and simplistic and revealing and true US policy statement i ever heard
    Here's the original essay, which is no longer up on the National Review website which is interesting. The framing of that quote is a full-frontal attack on a statement made by Brent Scowcroft who was at the time seen as a mouthpiece for the true tendencies and opinions of George H. W. Bush and Kissinger, in opposition to George W. Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice and their new neoconservative friends. Therefore it was a policy statement on another policy statement: that is, US foreign policy was an area of dispute, not consensus.

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    It's always reassuring to hear Brent Scowcroft attack one's cherished convictions; it makes one cherish them all the more. Here's a guy who still says he was right to advise his president to allow Saddam Hussein to survive in 1991; a guy who fought mightily to preserve the Soviet Union by advising his president to support Gorbachev against Yeltsin and the democrats; a guy who went home early the night Iraq invaded Kuwait because he refused to believe such an attack could take place; and a guy who pooh-poohs the very idea that Saddam Hussein might be part of the terror network.

    So it's good news when Scowcroft comes out against the desperately-needed and long overdue war against Saddam Hussein and the rest of the terror masters. As usual, Scowcroft has it backwards: He's still pushing Saudi Arabia's Prince Abdullah's line that you've just got to deal with the Palestinian question. Blessedly, President Bush knows by now that the Palestinian question can only be addressed effectively once the war against Saddam and his ilk has been won. And then Scowcroft says "Saddam is a problem, but he's not a problem because of terrorism."

    This is the head of the President's Foreign Intelligence Advisory Commission? Doesn't he read the newspapers? He doesn't seem to realize that Saddam is actively supporting al Qaeda, and Abu Nidal, and Hezbollah.

    However, nobody is perfect, and Scowcroft has managed to get one thing half right, even though he misdescribes it. He fears that if we attack Iraq "I think we could have an explosion in the Middle East. It could turn the whole region into a caldron and destroy the War on Terror."

    One can only hope that we turn the region into a cauldron, and faster, please. If ever there were a region that richly deserved being cauldronized, it is the Middle East today. If we wage the war effectively, we will bring down the terror regimes in Iraq, Iran, and Syria, and either bring down the Saudi monarchy or force it to abandon its global assembly line to indoctrinate young terrorists.

    That's our mission in the war against terror.

    The most dangerous course of action is Scowcroft's: Finesse Iraq, and squander our energies fecklessly trying to broker peace between Israel and the terrorists.

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    People are too lazy to click on links.

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    Danny L. Please can you pick a pre-92 rap album for us to do our listening club to tomorrow night.

    Thank you very much.

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    this is really good. its from a few year back, but basically talking about the hollowness of the moral case for attacking isis without also addressing the crimes of the assad regime.

    https://priapeanlogs.wordpress.com/2...ht-on-a-plane/

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