rubberdingyrapids
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why wont you?
KAN YAY OR KAN NAY? (The Kanye West Thread)
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Benny Bunter
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I havent seen the wire on sale anywhere in seville and probably wouldnt buy it if i did. I used to read the interesting bits in wh smiths then put it back on the shelf when i lived in the uk
rubberdingyrapids
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ah fair enough. ill try and scan the review in that case. 
bit hard to summarise as its two pages long.
bit hard to summarise as its two pages long.
Benny Bunter
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Ahh that would be great! Dont go out of ur way though, it'll probably end up online eventually i suppose
Corpsey
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Yeah, loved the Reynolds review. I actually disagree with one of his points and I'm tempted to send a 'letter to the editor', just because I've never done that before.
Also really liked the Dilla primer in the Wire this month. (AND DON'T FORGE TO CHECK OUT MY COLUMN, GUYS, IT'S REALLY SWELL!) The writing in there is often excellent but also generally isn't about music I listen to so it isn't often I buy it either. I wish there was a Wire standard magazine dedicated to rap/rnb/dance/pop...
Also really liked the Dilla primer in the Wire this month. (AND DON'T FORGE TO CHECK OUT MY COLUMN, GUYS, IT'S REALLY SWELL!) The writing in there is often excellent but also generally isn't about music I listen to so it isn't often I buy it either. I wish there was a Wire standard magazine dedicated to rap/rnb/dance/pop...
rubberdingyrapids
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i read your column. saw some of the discussion around ka/roc marci etc ahem 'inspired' some of your review of the latest ka single. tis all good though. i liked the dilla primer though it was more biography than analysis i think. dillas a bit like prince. i find it hard to read a lot of what people write about them. gets a bit fanboy-ish.
i liked the dilla primer though it was more biography than analysis i think. dillas a bit like prince. i find it hard to read a lot of what people write about them. gets a bit fanboy-ish.
Corpsey
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Oh did I nick some ideas? I guess the stuff about sounding clapped out in an appropriate way?
I thought there was a good deal of analysis in the Primer, though I read it more than a week ago now. It was very much a Dilla-fanboy piece, and I balked at the praise the writer gave to Like Water for Chocolate (surely one of Dilla's most stultifying and boring efforts?) in particular, but - accepting the writer's enthusiasm as distinct from my own - I enjoyed the attention to detail that only a true fan boy could provide.
(Oh, and pretending that Dilla's Tribe stuff was equally as good as their previous stuff... nah.)
Actually, what it did was make me reassess and brush off my long-established opinions/fatigue re: Dilla and give Welcome to Detroit a listen.
It's funny how seeing somebody express disregard for music often infects my mind like a virus and makes me unable to listen to that music as enthusiastically as before.
I thought there was a good deal of analysis in the Primer, though I read it more than a week ago now. It was very much a Dilla-fanboy piece, and I balked at the praise the writer gave to Like Water for Chocolate (surely one of Dilla's most stultifying and boring efforts?) in particular, but - accepting the writer's enthusiasm as distinct from my own - I enjoyed the attention to detail that only a true fan boy could provide.
(Oh, and pretending that Dilla's Tribe stuff was equally as good as their previous stuff... nah.)
Actually, what it did was make me reassess and brush off my long-established opinions/fatigue re: Dilla and give Welcome to Detroit a listen.
It's funny how seeing somebody express disregard for music often infects my mind like a virus and makes me unable to listen to that music as enthusiastically as before.
CrowleyHead
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Pfft. Anyone who posted on this site and later wrote reviews in The Wire was probably influenced by the DEEZ-COURSE at some point TBF. Corpsey can sponge whoever he wants.
*shakes fist* Just so long as I can get a recommendation when I'm out school and trying to write aimlessly about Weldon Irvine records.
I kind of skimmed the Dilla stuff b/c I decided I really do not like Donuts, and with Phife's passing my saltiness towards Tribe got stoked (irrational reaction that it is).
I need to finish the Kanye album before I look at Reynolds' review again, but I remember thinking it missed a lot. Reynolds isn't good at writing about rap though so its fair he'd struggle there.
*shakes fist* Just so long as I can get a recommendation when I'm out school and trying to write aimlessly about Weldon Irvine records.
I kind of skimmed the Dilla stuff b/c I decided I really do not like Donuts, and with Phife's passing my saltiness towards Tribe got stoked (irrational reaction that it is).
I need to finish the Kanye album before I look at Reynolds' review again, but I remember thinking it missed a lot. Reynolds isn't good at writing about rap though so its fair he'd struggle there.
rubberdingyrapids
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i hate the light, from like water from chocolate. the 'greatest hip hop love song' it is not.
great as slum village were, there is an argument to be made that dilla was crap at bringing out the best in other rappers/groups, or established rappers/groups. (though saying that, the love movement is totally underrated).
great as slum village were, there is an argument to be made that dilla was crap at bringing out the best in other rappers/groups, or established rappers/groups. (though saying that, the love movement is totally underrated).
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Corpsey
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I think the Light is one of the bright spots on that album, though certainly hampered by Common's smugness. Pharoah Monch's 'The Light' FTW. I dunno how much I would rate 'The Sixth Sense' now but at the time it was like a blast of fresh air in amidst the soulquarian joss fug.
Side question: what IS the greatest hip hop love song? Bonita Applebum?
I finally listened to a bit of the Kanye album and I concur with the 'beats are good but his rapping is shit' consensus.
Side question: what IS the greatest hip hop love song? Bonita Applebum?
I finally listened to a bit of the Kanye album and I concur with the 'beats are good but his rapping is shit' consensus.
rubberdingyrapids
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back to kanye for a sec. the new version of wolves isnt actually very good. im only saying that as i have the earlier version to compare to. who knows, if i never heard that one, i might like this one more. but i dont think the tinkering has really done much for the song. the slightly demo-ish feel of the first one was better i think. i hope this doesnt become a regular thing for artists, constantly being able to change their albums/songs all the time. if he made some serious changes, i think it could be interesting, but this is just insignificant meddling. and it seems like kanye doesnt really know what he wants to do with the songs, hes just messing around with them because he can, not really 'living breathing expression' (or whatever) as he seems to imagine (its more embellishments of the type that hes always been prone to - he just cant help himself chucking more on where there is no real need.)
im going to edit this post for weeks from now in the name of #contemporary art.
im going to edit this post for weeks from now in the name of #contemporary art.
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CrowleyHead
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As is every man in such a society so, yeah.
One of his biggest singles is about mocking Gold-diggers, that there's a misogynist streak in Kanye West should surprise NO-ONE; what irks me is that people feel the need to 'realize' his misogyny and then make hard-line separations of him if you're long-time fans (which I'm not so maybe I don't sympathize there, but fuck, I've loved 50 Cent since I was a teen and if you think that guy has any 'progressive' social outlooks that and 2 cents won't get you on the iron horse). You have to reconcile the fact if you re-analyze your perspective of the man who makes the music, and the content of his music, but that people so readily abandon him after making him a personal beacon is absurd.
Then again, I saw dozens of post-mortem feminist approaches to Prince, a man who spent a good part of his last decade in life being homophobic to two of his former best friends and colleagues for being lesbians, and who had 'correspondences' with multiple underage girls, so its a lot to do with pick and choose your battles.
None of this a shot at droid btw, just he invoked the topic.
One of his biggest singles is about mocking Gold-diggers, that there's a misogynist streak in Kanye West should surprise NO-ONE; what irks me is that people feel the need to 'realize' his misogyny and then make hard-line separations of him if you're long-time fans (which I'm not so maybe I don't sympathize there, but fuck, I've loved 50 Cent since I was a teen and if you think that guy has any 'progressive' social outlooks that and 2 cents won't get you on the iron horse). You have to reconcile the fact if you re-analyze your perspective of the man who makes the music, and the content of his music, but that people so readily abandon him after making him a personal beacon is absurd.
Then again, I saw dozens of post-mortem feminist approaches to Prince, a man who spent a good part of his last decade in life being homophobic to two of his former best friends and colleagues for being lesbians, and who had 'correspondences' with multiple underage girls, so its a lot to do with pick and choose your battles.
None of this a shot at droid btw, just he invoked the topic.
rubberdingyrapids
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prince still had plenty that feminists could use to defend him (plus those pieces were written after his death when ppl prefer to reflect more positively). im not sure kanye has anything that feminists could use in his favour. women hating, or casual sexism at least, is part and parcel of hip hop, more or less, but kanye now seems to be doing it without any attempt at humor. its just this dead eyed, depressed, automated sort of sexism. love his last album musically but dont really want to listen to it too much now just cos of all the lyrical ugliness.
rubberdingyrapids
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how did you watch it? im not signing up to tidal.