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    Abandon ship
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    Brexit being cursed: HEXIT

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    Not quite sure whether this should go here or in the Societal Paralysis thread, but I've been meaning to quote this here since I read it a few weeks ago. It's the fictional Swedish philosopher Huvelius, from Arthur Machen's 1917 novella The Terror:

    "[C]ontrary to the common opinion, it is the wealthy who are greedy of wealth; while the populace are to be gained by talking to them about liberty, their unknown god. And so much are they enchanted by the words liberty, freedom, and such like, that the wise can go to the poor, rob them of what little they have, dismiss them with a hearty kick, and win their hearts and their votes for ever, if only they will assure them that the treatment which they have received is called liberty."
    If we can substitute "media-savvy" for "wise", it seems a pretty good prediction of Brexit from a century ago, wouldn't you say?
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    Moody's have downgraded uk debt citing brexit...

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    And Tesla has announced that their new factory and 10,000 jobs will be in Berlin, not UK as previously thought cos of "Brexit uncertainty".

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    Watching the news on BBC Worldwide and the reporter was speaking to camera from somewhere or other and a guy stuck his head in front and shouted "bollocks to brexit" which made me smile. Never seen that happen before while actually watching live.

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    Labour to change strategy with two weeks to go

    The Labour Party is to re-shape its general election campaign strategy - particularly in Leave-voting areas - to try to turn around a stubborn Conservative opinion poll lead.

    Insiders told the BBC that in the first half of the election campaign, a key error was that the Liberal Democrat threat had been overestimated, while the willingness of Leave voters to switch from Labour to the Conservatives had been underestimated.

    In the last two weeks of the campaign, this will change.
    Labour will give a higher profile to shadow cabinet members who back a Leave deal rather than Remain. There will also be a tour of Leave areas by the party chairman Ian Lavery, who ideally would rather leave the EU with a deal than remain. The "honest broker" himself - Jeremy Corbyn - will be touring some Leave seats very soon too. And more activists are set to be moved to Leave areas.

    The message will be that Labour's Leave deal would offer voters a genuine choice - and that a new referendum will not be an attempt to remain in the EU by the back door.

    There will be an attempt to explain the deal Labour is seeking to negotiate - and that it would protect workers' rights.

    In other words, the party leadership is not opposing Brexit by opposing Boris Johnson's deal - it simply wants to find what it regards as a better one. That may be a tricky argument, compared with the simplicity of the Conservative message of getting Brexit "done". But it is felt that reassurance for Leave voters is necessary. There will also be an attempt to challenge the Conservative narrative that a trade deal with the EU can be done in a year.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50580699
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    This could go one of two ways. On one hand it could help win over working-class Leavers, and in theory shouldn't deter progressive Remainers as long as a remain option is still on the cards. On the other, positioning the party further towards Leave, even if only rhetorically, while taking the Remain vote for granted, is exactly the behaviour that will boost support for the Lib Dems.
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    This makes for grim reading. We all knew it was coming.

    UK-US trade deal - what do the leaked documents show?

    1. Drug pricing and patents

    US trade negotiators had already set out that they wanted "full market access" for US drugs as part of a future UK/US trade deal after Brexit. The leaked document does reiterate concern in the US over drug prices. One of the trade representatives is quoted as saying: "there is a lot of conversation on drug prices and looking at what other countries pay and this is causing angst". A big part of the document, however, focuses on patents.

    2. Regulation

    The document reveals that the US trade representatives were left "deflated" at the UK's plan to stick close to EU rules on food safety and animal health. They saw this as a "worst-case scenario" for a UK-US trade deal.

    3. Food safety

    One US official suggested that the UK should not stick with the EU's food regulatory standards after Brexit. Instead, the US "recommended that the UK maintains regulatory autonomy". The same official suggested that the UK had used chemical washes to treat food in the past "and wondered if there would be an interest in bringing them back post-EU Exit".

    The document says the US would "share their public lines on chlorine-washed chicken to help inform the media narrative around the issue".

    4. Food labelling

    In the document from the November 2017 meeting, the US talked about its concerns over some food labelling. The US side said it was "concerned that labelling food with high sugar content (as has been done with tobacco) is not particularly useful in changing consumer behaviour".

    5. Climate change

    A UK representative "inquired about the possibility of including reference to climate change in a future UK-US trade agreement". A US representative "responded emphatically that climate change is the most political (sensitive) question for the US, stating it is a 'lightning rod issue'".

    They went on to explain that they were bound by Congress not to include mention of greenhouse gas emission reductions in trade agreements. They stated this ban would not be lifted anytime soon.

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    Frightening isn't it? But I see loads of people are saying it's just Labour scare stories... amazing the extent to which people will ignore what they don't want to hear and when it happens it will be too late.

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