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    matt taibbi:
    A lot of us have this idea that the truth has a kind of magical power, that if the truth is out there it will convince the country to unite behind it. But this isn't so. People can simply decide to not believe a version of events now. They can shop for information the same way they'd shop for everything else, and they pick the reality they find most pleasing.

    Back when I was thinking about the rapture movement or the 9/11 truther movement, what struck me was that there are bubbles now that you can stay in and you don't have to engage with reality if you don't want to. So it occurred to me that in the future, people might decide en masse to completely tune out. Even the idea of having a debate with people about a commonly accepted body of facts seemed to be slipping away at the time.

    And that's kind of what happened in this election. It was one group of people believing one thing and another group of people seeing something completely different.
    http://www.vox.com/conversations/201...-clinton-media

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    The Associated Press reports:

    Alex Jones is a performance artist whose true personality is nothing like his on-air persona, according to a lawyer defending the "Infowars" broadcaster in a child custody battle.

    Attorney Randall Wilhite said at a pretrial hearing in Austin last week that evaluating Jones based on his on-air comments is like judging Jack Nicholson based on his role as the Joker in "Batman."
    for some reason, this does not put my mind at ease.

    also, his ex-wife isn't buying it: http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/inf...ute/ar-BBzWxGp

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    I have to admit, before the Trump debacle I wasn't aware of the existance of Alex Jones. Watched a few of his vids on youtube (meaning the first few seconds) and couldn't help it but think this must be satire. Of course, it isn't. And that's the creepy part.

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    Oborne's article's here, if anyone's interested.

    https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/ope...-news-machine/

    British journalists have become part of Johnsonís fake news machine

    Itís chilling. From the Mail, The Times to the BBC and ITN, everyone is peddling Downing Streetís lies and smears. Theyíre turning their readers into dupes.

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    And Peston's response.

    https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/ope...-peter-oborne/

    "My job is to draw back the veil": Robert Peston responds to Peter Oborne

    "In politics, democracy is served when we know how those in power think and speak," says ITV's political editor.

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    I like his term "feral smear merchants", we've got a lot of them here too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leo View Post
    I like his term "feral smear merchants", we've got a lot of them here too.
    Harsh. Dissensus isn't that bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by version View Post
    Harsh. Dissensus isn't that bad.
    NO, I meant "here" as in the US, not on dissensus, LOL!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leo View Post
    "feral smear merchants"

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    Quote Originally Posted by version View Post
    Doin' the Lambeth Warp New: DISSENSUS - THE NOVEL - PM me your email address and I'll add you

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    Jim Waterson
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    Perhaps the *most important* bit from today's material is this call from Ofcom to BBC News, urging it to be more willing to call out lies and let its reporters challenge extreme views on air - rather than let them be presented as part of the 'both sides now' argument.
    7:21 AM - 24 Oct 2019

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    Good. Liars getting away with it because of specious journalistic 'fairness' is a curse of our age.
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    Strange to see this coming from Sky News, but fair enough.

    Sky Views: Journalists, don't be part of the government's 'fake news' machine

    https://news.sky.com/story/sky-views...chine-11845093

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