john eden

male pale and stale
This is why you need a link up between XR and stuff like the Jilet Jaunes in France.

And it's why black kids getting accused of pickpocketting at XR and the cops being called, who then do an immigration check is bad.

And it's why listing "mass immigration" as a bad outcome of climate change at an XR assembly is bad.

And it's why centre-ing getting arrested is bad.
 

luka

Well-known member
It's all middle class people telling each other they're doing it wrong. (While achieving nothing of course)
 

john eden

male pale and stale
Politics being impossible is good.

What's amazing about XR is that people are talking about something important after months, years of Corbyn, Brexit, and the soap opera of politics.
 

version

Well-known member
Support for Extinction Rebellion soars after Easter protests - https://www.theguardian.com/environ...on-rebellion-soars-in-wake-of-easter-protests

Support for Extinction Rebellion in the UK has quadrupled in the past nine days as public concern about the scale of the ecological crisis grows.

Since the wave of protests began more than a week ago, 30,000 new backers or volunteers have offered their support to the environmental activist group. In the same period it has raised almost £200,000 – mostly in donations of between £10 and £50 – reaching a total of £365,000 since January.

The group said the figures showed the public was waking up to the scale of the crisis, adding that pressure was growing on politicians to act.

The group’s organisers said the number of people on the streets for the protests had dwindled from a high over the Easter bank holiday weekend but that the number of people who had signed up to support future demonstrations had risen from 10,000 before the protest to 40,000 by Wednesday morning.

The Extinction Rebellion spokesperson said the group was also becoming more diverse – attracting more working-class and black and minority ethnic supporters. “But that is definitely a work in progress – there is still more work to do in that area,” she added.
 

other_life

bioconfused
the people behind this shit are all shady ngo color revolution types i told you fuckers this was controlled opposition and that "oh we're trying to get arrested" "oh cops are our potential allies" "arrest this person for pickpocketing" "mass migration from climate change is something you should be worried about" and the Middle Class Crusty composition of the movement all made sense in this context but i was roundly dismissed as having Tankie Schizophrenia

"The first major clue came in the form of a presentation given by Gail Bradbrook, one of the founders of Extinction Rebellion (XR for short – the main British group advocating for Climate Mobilisation) at Off-Grid Festival a number of years ago, promoting her Compassionate Revolution/ Rising Up! concepts/brands. In it, she referred to Otpor!, the ostensibly ‘grass-roots’ instigators of the Serbian ‘Bulldozer Revolution’ of 2000, as ‘just a bunch of kids’. She also spoke glowingly of Gene Sharp, whose strategies were applied in that and each of the so-called ‘colour revolutions’ that subsequently swept through various parts of the globe, culminating in the Arab Spring, which in turn inspired many to participate in the Occupy movement.
What she failed to disclose to her audience is the fact that Otpor!, the groups it subsequently spawned in other countries, and Gene Sharp, were all funded by the National Endowment for Democracy: an American NGO whose activities run parallel to the regime-change objectives of the US government, widely considered to be a ‘plausibly deniable’ above-ground arm for CIA meddling. Another notable oversight from her talk was any mention of what replaced the corrupt governments that these activist movements toppled: slick neoliberals, passing ‘reforms’ that enabled the rapid re-organisation of their economies to suit western multinationals; and in the case of Egypt, the coming of the Muslim Brotherhood to power – later to be replaced by the military dictatorship of al-Sisi, which persists to this day.
Furthermore, it is now known (by way of Wikileaks’ ‘Global Intelligence Files’) that one of the leaders of Otpor!, Srdja Popovic (who after his success in Serbia went on to found CANVAS, a ‘revolution consultancy’ and receive substantial funding from NED for organising groups in other countries) is well-connected to STRATFOR, a private intelligence firm “that gathers intelligence on geopolitical events and activists for clients ranging from the American Petroleum Institute and Archer Daniels Midland to Dow Chemical, Duke Energy, Northrop Grumman, Intel and Coca-Cola.”

ignore the bad site design and anarchist bias https://nowhere.news/index.php/2019/04/01/astroturfing-the-way-for-the-fourth-industrial-revolution/
 

droid

Well-known member
Politics being impossible is good.

What's amazing about XR is that people are talking about something important after months, years of Corbyn, Brexit, and the soap opera of politics.

I was just about to say this. Their primary function at this stage is to push the issue into public consciousness, to make it impossible to ignore and pretend there's no problem.

In terms of class, their middleness is precisely what allows them to get away with this. Their wealth allows them to (at least partially) deal with the negative consequences of arrest, they present a non-threatening and relatable face to media, and they're less likely (for now) to get bashed by the cops.

So in that sense they a vanguard. They just need to be followed up by a widening of constituencies, an extension of civil disobedience, widespread physical attacks on fossil infrastructure and, if necessary, an eventual terror campaign against fossil interests.
 

droid

Well-known member
Oh, and:

"mass migration from climate change is something you should be worried about"

Regardless of the political expediency of the statement, they are correct. It is something to worry about. If we continue with BAU the numbers will be in the hundreds of millions, possibly billions. A desperate migration on a different magnitude of scale than anything humanity has ever experienced.
 

luka

Well-known member
We've already decided as societies to build walls and drawbridges in response to the forthcoming mass displacements of people. The debates around migration now are just foreshadowing the real issues to come in which we will make very conscious deliberate decision to let millions of people die. The argument has already been had. That's all a done deal. No one really gives a shit.
 

martin

----
A world where posh hippy degenerates dance with the OB to Faithless isn't worth saving. Thermonuclear holocaust now.
 

droid

Well-known member
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Mr. Tea

Let's Talk About Ceps
From:


These agreements and policies include carbon capture storage (CCS), enhanced oil recovery (EOR), bio-energy with carbon capture and storage (BECCS), rapid total decarbonisation, payments for ecosystem services (referred to as “natural capital”), nuclear energy and fission, and a host of other “solutions” that are hostile to an already devastated planet.

I'm struggling to see what's wrong with most of these things, to be honest. How is "rapid total decarbonisation... hostile to an already devastated planet"? Decarbonisation is a good thing, right? And the opposition of some hardcore greens to nuclear power is misinformed at best, a major stumbling block at worst. It's vastly preferable to fossil fuels by any meaningful metric and is the only alternative for meeting the bulk of electricity needs in the near to medium future.
 

Mr. Tea

Let's Talk About Ceps
Also, when people say

No one really gives a shit.

isn't it usually a code for "I don't give a shit"?

The implication that everyone who took part in the protests over the weekend was just virtue-signalling could be straight from the pen of some harrumphing ham-faced Telegraph opinionator.
 

luka

Well-known member
That's not what I meant obviously but worth a try. A classic from the tea playbook
 

Mr. Tea

Let's Talk About Ceps
That's not what I meant obviously but worth a try. A classic from the tea playbook

Well then what did you mean by "nobody gives a shit"? Quite clearly some people, in fact a fair number of people, give a shit.
 
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