Culture As Advertising.

luka

luka

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Third when you see this thread please don't abuse anyone. No personal attacks. You'll have lots of good, relevant, intelligent things to say so please do it in a nice way that includes others rather than excludes. Sorry to be a primary school teacher but I don't want to see the thing turn into a car crash. It hurts my heart.
 
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sadmanbarty

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luka said:
How we are trolled by these young, beautiful rich faces, but the actual voice is impersonal. It doesn't belong to a human.
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alkaline neither looks nor sounds human. 'tatooed' eyeballs, bleached skin. voice like a toy or cartoon character.

 
luka

luka

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That's a very interesting dyad given both were immensely popular on a local level. Neither really became a full blown international celebrity. Using that characterisation you'd put vybez on the side of capital, in that, as Vimothy recently pointed out, capitalism dissolves traditional cultures, but only in as much as he was reflecting changes already at work in the community, not things that would be completely alien and hostile.

Here's Vims quote
its ironic to consider that a nominally communist state should be protecting these reactionary social institutions - a policy closer in tone to the patronising tolerance one might expect to see from a western democracy. like the superficial tolerance of liberal democracies, the protection of the "communist party of china" conceals (and legitimises) a more fundamental reality, that of the dissolution of traditional culture in the solvent of global capitalism (in which the communist party of china is a major player).
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sadmanbarty

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reynolds swinging his big, bulbous, blissblog knob around all over the place like conan the barbarian:

Cher actually looks how Auto-Tune sounds. The combination of three levels of enhancement—surgery, makeup, and that old trick of bright lights that flatten the skin surface into a blank dazzle—means that her face and her voice seem to be made out of the same immaterial substance. If the “Believe” promo was produced today, a fourth level of falsification would be routinely applied: digital post production procedures like motion-retouching or colorizing that operate at the level of pixels rather than pores, fundamentally altering the integrity of the image.
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i remember the tangible exhilaration of reading this bit.
 
luka

luka

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sadmanbarty said:
alkaline neither looks nor sounds human. 'tatooed' eyeballs, bleached skin. voice like a toy or cartoon character.

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This is given huge impetus by Lil Wayne isn't it? It starts, it seems to me, as a coopting of Rock culture. Druggie hedonism, black leather and tattoos.
 
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sadmanbarty

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luka said:
This is given huge impetus by Lil Wayne isn't it? It starts, it seems to me, as a coopting of Rock culture. Druggie hedonism, black leather and tattoos.
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alkaline is copying kartel and i'm pretty sure kartel set out to be the wayne of dancheall. off-kilter, virtuoso lyricist. somewhat effeminate. cheeky. impish.
 
luka

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The big critical battle that was fought by the members of my generation was rockist v poptimist with the poptimists winning a resounding victory. So the work now is obviously to replace the poptimist paradigm without falling back into the errors of rockism.
 
luka

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This is why my inclination is to say Beyond Soul, not back to Soul. What's the next stage of the dialectic Marxists?
 
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sadmanbarty

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free improvisation (derek bailey et al.) is wholly defined in relation to commercialism. it is self-consciously anti-commercial. ben watson looked disgusted at me when i once played something remotely funky just to warm up.

it is rockism taken to it's extreme. and that's why it's awful.


the nuum was by-and-large populist but not popular.

that's why it was the best music ever.
 
luka

luka

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I mean, broadly speaking I'd agree. Although in practice I really like old free improv records. I think it existed as a genuine logical development of jazz, within a genuine, albeit minuscule community of practitioners and listeners. It made sense. In 2019, much less so.
 
luka

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Oto offers up a commodified, attractively packaged version of that 1970s scene. As does
the Wire.
 
luka

luka

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The hardcore continuum move is to invest in a community as opposed to an artist (E.g. Dizzee, Russ, Goldie) or a scene/genre which will only ever let you down.
 
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sadmanbarty

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pop music is eric fromm's 'motherly love'. unconditional and by extension universal.

non-pop is his 'fatherly love'. guiding and teaching lessons and as such defining an identity.


pop music is for children when they need nurturing. as we become teens we seek to navigate the world and pop- for many of us- fades as we become immersed in sub-cultures. we develop fashions and ideologies and friendship groups.
 
luka

luka

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Or, conversely, pop music is R. Kelly and Dr. Luke. Predatory and exploitative. Grooming young flesh for sexual enjoyment. Drake's grooming of Millie Bobbie Brown.
 
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