Those wot were there, set the historical record straight
sadmanbarty
Well-known member
luke says the importance of third's list is to counteract the poptimism reading of the nuum purveyed by reynolds, luke, me, you, etc.
why do you love poptimism in this rave context so much? what appeals to you about 3000 toffs going at it on drugs? give me a shady den with 600 rough blokes and girls any day.
pattycakes_
Can turn naughty
third's 'ard as nailZz
The weird thing was though it did affect people's perceptions and actions, shook off the collective character armour for a minute. There's a few essays about how E led to a decline in football violence. I don't know if that's true or if it's more that the cultural energy switched to something newer and more exciting. But things were definitely a little more peacable for a while. I know there was criminality and violence in the background but it was v much "off camera". I recall meeting someone who'd been around it like I had in a job a few years later, and I said something like "I thought it'd change the world, all those people on E" and he said "yeah, me too". And I know this wasn't just us, peace, love and MDMA was part of the discourse. Naive as hell for sure but it was in the aether.
well yeah, for sure, the real crims in all of this were the oakenfold and rampling types making a quick buck out of thatcherism whilst presenting it as antithetical to maggie when it wasn't really, just a logical consequence of her privatisation of leisure.
Should have kept it dark and jackin.
Should have kept it dark and jackin.
Trillhouse
Well-known member
I vaguely remember talk of how, at the time, people's drug habits where being taken into the football grounds, starting the weekend early like, or maybe just continuing from the night before. E's emerging popularity definitely had a passing effect.
I once had a chat, over some records, with a guy who was a small time dj in the early years of the UK rave scene. He said he basically gave up because the scene he was in was co-opted by thuggish types and organised crime. He's was part of some illegal party, diy, type collective and it started out as some loose group of passionate people but once raves got mainstream popular and money came into play you'd get people turning up and physically threatening you do finish your set so their dj mate could get on.
I once had a chat, over some records, with a guy who was a small time dj in the early years of the UK rave scene. He said he basically gave up because the scene he was in was co-opted by thuggish types and organised crime. He's was part of some illegal party, diy, type collective and it started out as some loose group of passionate people but once raves got mainstream popular and money came into play you'd get people turning up and physically threatening you do finish your set so their dj mate could get on.
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