Communist music reviews

luka

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Ignore barty third sorry he's totally lost. I understand how he feels. He's got no coordinate points. I shouldn't laugh at him as he stumbles about helplessly but i can't help it!
 

luka

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It reminds me of when other life was showing us his music and Barty was like, turn up the bass yeah, then make a trap beat yeah, and then, like spit some lyrics over it, then I'll like it
 

luka

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Turning his hat the side and winking when he's finished dispensing his musical advice!
 

luka

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Sure. the proletariat celebrates capitalism though. if we're not fighting a common enemy we're in competition with ourselves. the difference being that the bourgeoisie is always in competition with itself even when organised as an immediate force of kinetic violence whereas when we organise and are not a social fact, because the proletariat is not of civil society it is able to coagulate

So what does mean? This was the beginning. Where does this leave us. Cos I didn't understand it. I'm lost already. Explain it to me Barty.
 

luka

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Sure. the proletariat celebrates capitalism though. if we're not fighting a common enemy we're in competition with ourselves. the difference being that the bourgeoisie is always in competition with itself even when organised as an immediate force of kinetic violence whereas when we organise and are not a social fact, because the proletariat is not of civil society it is able to coagulate


The first bit sounds cool, like an action film. But then I don't follow it. Organised as an immediate force of kinetic violence. What is that? What is a social fact? What does coagulate mean?
 

luka

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whereas whilst the bourgeoisie sees politics as alien to itself it still needs a space within to negotiate the abstractions of free enterprise.

What does it mean?
 

luka

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Today we live in a world where capitalism has totalised worldwide. hence i became far more radical in that i saw the best music as reflecting the atomisation of labour within a social context.


What does this mean?
 

luka

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you are the literature buff here. reading ezra pound yet can't get simple english words loooool.

I want Barty to explain it to me he said he understands it I don't fucking understand it. I want to understand it. I want to understand it in its own terms.
 

luka

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well, no, technology is the primary master discourse. not in terms of capitalist sci-fi fantasy, in the sense of applying modifications to nature. don't forget the greeks called art tekné. we can say art is the supreme discourse only if we link it to the labour of transforming nature.

This is a great thing to say. the labour of transforming nature.
 

luka

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What does labour mean in this sense? Is imagining labour? Like if I am a fish imagining fleeing from a bigger fish by imagining clambering up onto land and total safety? Is that considered labiur? And is it considered tekne?
 

luka

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Thirdform talk to me. Youve got all night. It's sweltering in Anatolia. You won't be sleeping.
 

sadmanbarty

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third give me marks (marx) of out 10:

crudely put, the bourgeois are the people with the economic, cultural and political power and the proletariat are those without.

labour is people making stuff or providing services


third is saying:

1) the proletariat aren’t inherently ‘woke’, so proletariat music doesn’t necessarily have to be anti-capitialist, anti-racist, feminist, etc.

2) without a common enemy, human beings tend to fight amongst themselves

3) if the proletariat were to break free from the culture and institutions placed upon them by the bourgeois, the would end this infighting by uniting against thei common enemy (the bourge)

4) the bourge aren’t able to stop this internal conflict because they don’t have a common enemy. they don’t have a common enemy because the impact of political decisions doesn’t effect them

5) technology is the focal point of human civilisation. our environment, politics, communication, art, etc. is defined by it.

6) art can only be as important as technology if it is concerned with technological advancement

7) ben watson likes free improv because his discourse is concerned with commercialism vs anti-commercialism. to him, the factory is a signifier of commercialism

8) third sees factories as inevitable and thus doesn’t reject them

9) third places aesthetic merit in music that reflects the hyper-atomisation (division of labour) that you’d see in a factory, but in a social context (a club or rave for example)

10) just because a music can be international, that doesn’t disentangle it from the social context in which it arose

11) the class intermingling of society means that bourgeois and proletariat aren’t wholly accurate terms, but are useful

12) music that is left-wing doesn’t necessarily fit into third’s notion of proletariat aesthetics

13) as a fan of electronic music, third likes timbres to be novel and new rather than reflecting something we’re already aware of

14) third values escapism that is cognitive obliteration rather than a kind of stepford wives like sense of denial

15) third doesn’t mind music in which there may be individual tracks or artists that don’t fit into his broader aesthetic vision, but the overall genre should

16) third likes music that sounds like tangible materials, but sound detached from how they are made. 90’s hip hop’s not so great at this because you can hear drums, bass guitars, etc. whereas with jungle you don’t know what the fuck the sound is
 
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luka

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Nah Not happy with that. Turned it into some weird guide for dummies thing. You haven't answered a single one of my questions. You've just said what you assume he is saying. You're glossing over the words and assuming it's all shit you've heard before.
 
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