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    Thought it was high time we had a general thread about this. Some points about the most recent spate:

    * Trump continues to prove there is no absolute zero of decency by offering the usual vapid thortsnprairs and, in the next tweet, reiterating the need for "immigration reform". God knows it's been said before but I think the USA and the world is fast losing its ability to be shocked, if it hasn't already.
    * I was disappointed to see the usually excellent Neil D. Tyson saying, in so many words, "Car accidents account for more deaths than gun murders, so chill out". Seriously, what the fuck?
    * The right-wing conspiracy-theory industry has already gone into overdrive, claiming the El Paso shooter was a "left-wing extremist", with poorly faked "proof" supposedly showing his Twitter bio originally saying he supported the "Democrat [sic.] party" before the shooting, having been changed to Republican afterwards. (Never mind the mentality you need to assume the Democrats are "far left".) This is part of an established meme I've run across quite a lot on FB, Twitter and so on in the last couple of years among hard-right Americans, which is that they are absolutely convinced their country is in the grip of a wave of mass-murderous far-left terrorism. I suppose an analogy in the UK is Brexit ultras screaming "NAZI!!!" at anti-Brexit MPs, even those in the Tory party.
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    we have the same per-capita level of mental illness as the rest of the world, and play the same video games as anyone else. yet we have many times the number of deaths and injuries per-capita from gun violence.

    the difference between us and the rest of the world is the number of guns we have, and ease of getting them. and a gun lobby that spends enough to put our politicians in their pocket.

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    This is bizarre.


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    Everybody wants to be somebody

    Taxi Driver was very prescient about this phenomenon, particularly when it comes to far-right extremist shootings.

    Travis Bickle as the proto-incel.

    If it came out today he'd be a poster on 8Chan.
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    guess my point is "everybody wants to be somebody" is universal, right? it's human nature, people feel the same way in every country, yet the level of gun violence is magnitudes higher in the US versus anywhere else. human nature is consistent around the world, the availability of guns and power of the gun lobby isn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leo View Post
    guess my point is "everybody wants to be somebody" is universal, right? it's human nature, people feel the same way in every country, yet the level of gun violence is magnitudes higher in the US versus anywhere else. human nature is consistent around the world, the availability of guns and power of the gun lobby isn't.
    The idea that "if you ain't somebody, you're nobody" (i.e. a loser) is probably more widespread in the USA than many (and perhaps any) other countries though, isn't it? Goes back to the dude who shot John Lennon in order to be "famous".

    Obviously the phenomenon of mass public gun ownership is particular to the USA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leo View Post
    guess my point is "everybody wants to be somebody" is universal, right? it's human nature, people feel the same way in every country, yet the level of gun violence is magnitudes higher in the US versus anywhere else. human nature is consistent around the world, the availability of guns and power of the gun lobby isn't.
    Yeah, guns are obviously the key difference. I'm sure there are young men in the UK who would love to do this sort of thing but simply lack the means. (Pro gun people always say "they'll get them anyway" but I don't think it's all that easy to get hold of guns here if you're not plugged into the criminal underworld.)

    Also SSRIs, gutting of mental health care, extremity of the media, etc.

    My uninformed impression is that the US has always been a violent place (to generalise lol). Perhaps because it's a "newer" society than the UK, e.g., which I'm sure would have been a LOT more violent a few hundred years ago. Every society is soaked in blood I suppose, if you look back far enough.
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    This is bizarre.

    This bloke sounds shady as hell:

    8chan: owner of extremist site lashes out as scrutiny intensifies - https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...nt-jim-watkins

    Watkins had learned computer skills in the US army, and while serving in the military made money with a side business – a pornography site and web hosting services catering to adult Japanese sites.
    He left the army in 1998 and his company, NT Technology, began hosting the popular Japanese message board that inspired 4chan, 2channel, two years later. Watkins eventually took control of that site in 2014. That same year, he offered his assistance to Brennan, who been struggling to keep 8chan functioning.

    Brennan moved to the Philippines to work with Watkins, who eventually took ownership of 8chan, too.

    Brennan stopped working for 8chan in 2016 and cut ties in 2018.

    Brennan has called for the site to be shut down in a number of interviews since the El Paso shooting, arguing that Watkins has failed to manage the site responsibly and even encouraged extremism with decisions such as running the tagline “Embrace infamy” on the site’s homepage. In the past, Brennan had cheered the site’s involvement in harassment campaigns.

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    Another one of these 4chan types live streamed a shooting yesterday.

    Gunman kills two in livestreamed attack at German synagogue - https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-ge...-idUKKBN1WO1AL

    BERLIN/HALLE, Germany (Reuters) - A gunman who denounced Jews opened fire outside a German synagogue on Yom Kippur, the holiest day of the Jewish year, and killed two people as he livestreamed his attack.

    Police said they had detained one person, reported by German magazines Spiegel and Focus Online to be a 27-year-old German named Stephan B. His full name cannot be published under German privacy laws.

    Video broadcast on Amazon’s (AMZN.O) gaming subsidiary Twitch showed a young man with a shaven head first reciting a short statement in broken English while sitting in a parked car.

    “I think the Holocaust never happened,” he began, before adding “feminism is the cause of decline in birth rates in the West” and mentioning mass immigration. He concluded: “The root of all these problems is the Jew”, before embarking on his shooting spree.

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