Is Jay-Z Good?

luka

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All of a sudden you've gone well we're not sampling and it changes everything. It's why so many people refuse to recognise rap after that period. It's not the same music any more. all the Pattycakes signifiers get thrown out the window.
 

sadmanbarty

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there was a great period in time in the early-2000's in rap and to an extent dancehall production where the onus wasn't on innovation, but on doing something unique. we've talked about lost futures recently and i bet this era's rich in them.

grime fits into this to an extent. it wasn't so much a cohesive genre as much as it is lots of people just making strange music.
 

sadmanbarty

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All of a sudden you've gone well we're not sampling and it changes everything. It's why so many people refuse to recognise rap after that period. It's not the same music any more. all the Pattycakes signifiers get thrown out the window.

it's an interesting era in rap. you have the end of sampling and at the same time you reach this point where you can't keep purifying the rakim formula; the az's and big l's and pharoah monch's and eminems of rap had taken that particular style as far is it go.

so from there you get rap scrambling to find out what it's actually going to be, it's had its legs cut off from underneath it. from there you get nelly and 50 introducing melody. the repopularisation of call and response chant rapping. the repopularisation of 808's.
 

entertainment

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he was a great role model lots of guys my age. he took the language of hustling and all that and used it to talk about business acumen and all that. i know at least a few boys who completely bought into that, which probably kept them out of trouble ultimately.

 

sadmanbarty

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All of a sudden you've gone well we're not sampling and it changes everything. It's why so many people refuse to recognise rap after that period. It's not the same music any more. all the Pattycakes signifiers get thrown out the window.

hardcore and jungle were about what you could do to a sample; speed it up, chop it up, stretch it out, etc. while a little later you get rap exploring what you can sample; timbaland and the neptunes using world music and these werid drum sounds and odd things in general.

a subconscious premonition that sampling was going to die soon so they needed to hurry up and explore everything it had to offer.
 

luka

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Already in 1999 you had Swizz, Timbaland, cash money records with lil Wayne featuring hot boyz and Mannie fresh beats, no limit were big, three six mafia were big
 
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