Is Jay-Z Good?

luka

luka

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Deified in America but here doesn't inspire much devotion. It's his 50th birthday. Is he good?
 
luka

luka

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He's one of those artists who've made countless brilliant songs but you still don't want to call them good. There's something missing that makes you hold back. If I started listing songs of his I loved I'd be here all night but you know
 
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sadmanbarty

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99 problems is a pivotal moment in rap acceptability. a song to be used ironically in adverts and in lee mack sit coms. one that mums can do their comedy rapping to. one that millennial economists will reference in a tweet ("i've got 99 problems, but liquidity ain't one")
 
luka

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sadmanbarty said:
99 problems is a pivotal moment in rap acceptability. a song to be used ironically in adverts and in lee mack sit coms. one that mums can do their comedy rapping to. one that millennial economists will reference in a tweet ("i've got 99 problems, but liquidity ain't one")
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It's like fix up look smart for rap
 
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sadmanbarty

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can't knock the hustle's like a mase a couple of years before that took hold. it's a move away from mid-90's east coast and shifting into that glamorous era. his outfit on the cover
 
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sadmanbarty

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then you've got the championing of kanye, which is rap's first retromanic moment. kanye's production of that era was the first time rap took a step backwards.
 
luka

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sadmanbarty said:
can't knock the hustle's like a mase a couple of years before that took hold. it's a move away from mid-90's east coast and shifting into that glamorous era. his outfit on the cover
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This is where he sounds most indebted to Will Smith the Fresh Prince of Belair
 
luka

luka

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sadmanbarty said:
then you've got the championing of kanye, which is rap's first retromanic moment. kanye's production of that era was the first time rap took a step backwards.
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And Just Blaze. But previous to that he'd been behind some of the most forward thinking beat choices. Him and Busta took all the chances.
 
luka

luka

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Listening to Westwood in this era was great cos there was loads of silliness like this

 
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sadmanbarty

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he was a great role model lots of guys my age. he took the language of hustling and all that and used it to talk about business acumen and all that. i know at least a few boys who completely bought into that, which probably kept them out of trouble ultimately.
 
luka

luka

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He was still dutifully putting a premier beat on every album as a sop to traditionalists right up until about 2000 if not beyond this is the best of them

 
luka

luka

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sadmanbarty said:
he was a great role model lots of guys my age. he took the language of hustling and all that and used it to talk about business acumen and all that. i know at least a few boys who completely bought into that, which probably kept them out of trouble ultimately.
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This is part of the shift I keep talking about I remember when I first started coming across weed dealers that didn't smoke
 
luka

luka

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Hidden wisdom secret knowledge goes from 5% nation today's mathematics to sensible investment opportunities. Master P buying neighbourhood petrol stations and hamburger bars
 
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sadmanbarty

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luka said:
Hidden wisdom secret knowledge goes from 5% nation today's mathematics to sensible investment opportunities
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friends with the obamas.

i remember when everyone got all obsessed with the illuminati running the music industry, jay was seen as the figurehead.
 
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sadmanbarty

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luka said:
Listening to Westwood in this era was great cos there was loads of silliness like this

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there was a great period in time in the early-2000's in rap and to an extent dancehall production where the onus wasn't on innovation, but on doing something unique. we've talked about lost futures recently and i bet this era's rich in them.
 
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