I was hoping we could talk about a broader “where to know” than the Labour Party.
That's the idea of the thread tbh. I just lead with Labour as it seemed the obvious place to start.
I was hoping we could talk about a broader “where to know” than the Labour Party.
But just because I'm saying that I wouldn't be surprised if Scotland tried to force through independence doesn't mean that I can't criticise poroguation, gerrymandering, lying etc I'm not endorsing any kind of anti-democratic move, it's just a vague prediction that is loosely tied up with my wider prediction that everything is fucked now. Basically the thing I care most about is stopping Brexit and that's done and dusted - even though more votes were cast for anti-Brexit parties apparently, the Tories are already saying this election delivers a clear mandate for Brexit. Now that's why an election is no substitute for a referendum in terms of sorting out that single matter (in the Euro elections the Tories claimed the results meant that people wanted to get on with brexit while Labour and others claimed the opposite). Referenda have the advantage of clarity at least. Anyway, whatever, the Tories are in power, have a large enough majority to do what they want and they are gonna force through Johnson's crappy deal so they claim it's done when really all that will have been done is the damage, the (all but) irrefutable step of leaving. After that they will try and keep the ongoing negotiations out of the news and play them down as much as possible. But our rights WILL be diminished and our economy and our future potential etc.
Well, I don't really see Scotland leaving as a bad thing, certainly I don't blame them. I just mean it looks as though it will happen... or maybe we will end up with some situation like in Catalonia where they hold a referendum deemed illegitimate by the UK government and there is major civil unrest.
And with Scotland, yes same. Three elections on the go, if they want to leave, maybe it is time.
I despise nationalism, not sure it will work out how they think. Like I have always said too, the idea that an independent Scotland would be a left wing dream is hilarious: Scotland has a very conservative rump, nationalist or not. The union was also based on a Scottish enthusiasm for the economic and military benefits of the British Empire.
Yeah, as much as I like Corbyn, wanted the Tories to lose and have a lot of issues with the media, how dirty the Tory campaign was and so on, this feels much more like Labour losing it than the Tories winning it. Nobody really trusts Boris, he didn't have a great campaign, he hid in a fucking fridge at one point and stole a reporter's phone, and yet, he's apparently picked up the biggest Tory majority since Thatcher...
if they could have managed to make the campaign feel more like this those red wall seats might have held up.