Jamaica Jamaica (Bung diddling dung)

sadmanbarty

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Jamaica is the uk’s better looking, more charismatic, funnier, more charming, more athletic, cooler older brother. Gets all the girls. Parents love him more. Skips school but still gets good grades. Brilliant dresser. Life of the party.

The entirety of the uk’s cultural output for the past 40 years has revolves around this dynamic
 

sadmanbarty

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I tell you what though, I’ve got a huge gap in my knowledge from about 1985-2000. We Definitely need A ‘droid teaches Barty golden age dancehall’ thread. Whenever dancehall comes up droid always posts these amazing, avant gard ones from that era.
 

sadmanbarty

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Jamaica is the uk’s better looking, more charismatic, funnier, more charming, more athletic, cooler older brother. Gets all the girls. Parents love him more. Skips school but still gets good grades. Brilliant dresser. Life of the party.

The entirety of the uk’s cultural output for the past 40 years has revolves around this dynamic

The hardcore continuum was our year 10 summer holiday when enough was enough and we had a Growth spurt, started going to the gym and drinking whey protein shakes.

We recuperated some ground, but still don’t have the same effortless cool as him. We’re still the lesser brother
 

sadmanbarty

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I think ultimately I’m going get rich and live in some gorgeous beachside mansion on Jamaica. It’s my calling. I’ll be like Rory Stewart smoking drugs with the locals out of politeness pretending I’m some eccentric aristocrat and that we still have an empire. Lawrence of jamaicia.
 

sadmanbarty

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It rather sadly documents the common trajectory of post-colonial societies. The buoyant, jubilant optimism of the first couple of tracks, then all the dub and reggae tries to formulate a national identity with its nexus of religion, politics and ethnicity. Then the society succumbs to unrelenting violence before nihilism and despair take hold. We go from “my boy lollipop” to “lickle blind boy ah child abuse”.
 

sadmanbarty

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Rastafarianism is Baathism. Gully vs Gaza was post-invasion sectarian bloodletting and then tommy lee was Isis just going to war with everyone.
 

catalog

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I used to really like sizzla but gotta say those first couple albums (black woman and child, praise ye jah) are the best thing, he's done a load of crap since. Can't really get on board with a lot of dancehall, vybz etc. All sounds the same. No soul. Although I did like mavado at the time he was big.

I do love sound systems, used to go to iration steppas subdub night quite a lot.

I like that tenor saw tune cos of his mournful way of singing it, and the odd wording. Reminds me of big youth who I like a lot too. Or the armagideon guy, Willie Williams?
 

muser

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Jamaican music left a strong imprint over my formative years, so many songs inseparable from a time / place,

Soundtrack to the first, and one of few, family holidays I remember listening to The Harder They Come soundtrack


starting to do weed, buying a generic Bob Marley poster and learning to play acoustic guitar.


at the end of secondary school asking an older friend to write a list of his favorite reggae, using limewire and getting loads of viruses on my dads computer.


Starting going to raves and listening to endless jungle remixes of this, crumpled brown cider bottle in hand, wet socks, pain in neck from riding in the boot.


My friend getting a sub in his mondeo, driving through town disturbing the old ladies on their way to the charity shops


Smoking loads of rollies, drinking tea and watching clashes, smelly carpets.


'Doing' se-asia , fake copy of lonely planet with the page sin the wrong order, looking lost, seeking comfort from bars that didn't exclusively play Bob Marley.

https://youtu.be/3p55wXWyc4o

careless summer, going to festivals, going to free-partys but not getting out the car because the musics no good, getting smashed in the car and doing sing alongs.

https://youtu.be/CITU4KH93aU
https://youtu.be/ykaVoXK-hjE
https://youtu.be/fqA7w7EJyf4
https://youtu.be/LeQ0asfmvBs
https://youtu.be/qoFi-J21jbs

Going back to uni again after dropping out, having more aspirations , confidence , wanting to succeed

https://youtu.be/ZV_VhN5g9hk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfpcXLmf560

https://youtu.be/IgO9tem1ObY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6QmNASAPiw

https://youtu.be/uiaJ_ZKVVqw

https://youtu.be/eQ_95M8M0_I

hit by an unexpected fling, getting way too hammered over Christmas, causing a scene.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b83tZhdQDsI

https://youtu.be/f8K3lsFClvk
 

sadmanbarty

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Question for Barry

Is there JA in UK Drill?

Listen to the snare patterns in these:




If you play these at 0.75 the speed (use the cog button on YouTube to change the speed) and hopefully you’ll recognise those patterns in these:




It’s the same for 95% of drill (carbs Hill is really the only producer who directly emulates US trap beats, the rest are far more Jamaican and UK indebted). Most drill is these mutant forms of dancehall rhythms (sped up, chopped up, layered on top of each other, etc).

Those same rhythms are the foundation of drill rapping (this is most obvious in russ and taze).

Arguably drill’s preoccupation with phonetic buoyancy is a holdover from dancehall.
 
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