padraig (u.s.)
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sure, but as any fule kno, what actually ended the Great Depression was...World War II
which led to...the neoliberal consensus
your point being taken that a good thing came out of chaos
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which led to...the neoliberal consensus
your point being taken that a good thing came out of chaos
padraig (u.s.)
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no one take ashes literally/seriously, please. just poetic license. pretend I just said "aftermath" instead. that's a neutral term.
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What my schizophrenic-intuitive circuits are Giving me is, as I said last night, a sense that something is being prepared behind the scenes.A change in the relationship between citizen and state for one. A change in the economic model. Perhaps also a change in industry and production. Really very huge changes. The end of capitalism as we know it. That's the raw uncensored message from those circuits.
And that comes in a paranoid and a starry eyed model. One is authoriatarian the other utopian.
What are other people picking up from their schizo antennae?
And that comes in a paranoid and a starry eyed model. One is authoriatarian the other utopian.
What are other people picking up from their schizo antennae?
padraig (u.s.)
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1 - I don't think this is actually true to the extent you believe it to be true
2 - recent evidence points overwhelmingly to bad outcomes
luka
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Fucking hell mr sunshine! Steady on! I'm trying to avoid suicide this week!
droid
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In the death of grass, the UK government starts nuking cities once all the crops fail to prevent complete chaos and collapse. That's utilitarianism. We're nowhere close to that. Of course there are serious economic concerns, but the 'inconvenience' argument is, frankly, nauseating.
We have the capacity and resources to deal with this without condemning tens of millions. Death is final, but our economic systems are constructs which can and will change radically in different circumstances.
We are seeing the beginning of conceptual transformation on the personal, local, national and international level. Certain things can no longer be ignored.
We have the capacity and resources to deal with this without condemning tens of millions. Death is final, but our economic systems are constructs which can and will change radically in different circumstances.
We are seeing the beginning of conceptual transformation on the personal, local, national and international level. Certain things can no longer be ignored.
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That's cute, but our long-term ability to do that is almost certainly dependent on letting go of it now. It's not without danger but what is?
droid
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1. Well. Let's wait and see. UBI, nationalisation, the 'magic money' tree, value of low paid workers, the necessity of consumption, travel, commuting, the utility of 'experts' etc... all being re-evaluated daily.
2. Depends on locale. In the US, Im sorry to say that this may be true.
padraig (u.s.)
a monkey that will go ape
guys, no one's making an "inconvenience" argument. it's a fucking straw man, please stop with it.
padraig (u.s.)
a monkey that will go ape
this is also a straw man
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Wild Horses
I have Whey, Casein, and Pea!
droid
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Im not going to quote it, but comelately literally made the inconvenience argument a few days ago and recently revived it. Thats what Im responding to.
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Wild Horses
There's a reason you're not going to quote it
"Literally"
"Literally"
luka
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What page please?
padraig (u.s.)
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some of these may hold true. things have unexpected effects. some will be positive. I always bring up the rise in standards of living post-Black Death.
some decrease in travel and commuting as as the shift toward remote working, learning, etc accelerates, seem likely
possibly consumption as well, though whether that's more because people are consciously reducing it, or no one has any $$, remains to be seen
a higher valuation of lowly-paid workers, I seriously doubt - if anything, a greater shift toward automation as rapidly as technology allows
definitely not a decrease in a reliance on experts. this is totally a crisis of technocrats - public health officials, virologists, epidemiologists, etc.
droid
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Yup, Im saying the opposite. Expertise is suddenly valuable again
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Wild Horses
19, moving into the early twenties. At no point do I reference inconvenience other than to label such a reframe a....strawman.
droid
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The conversation is here. The sentiment is very clear.
https://www.dissensus.com/showthread.php?t=15208&page=19
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