Cringeworthy
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fragmentation of self. The internet allows for experiments and reinventions with different audiences and it can be cringeworthy when they don’t cohere, cringe as a shame-response to restabilise.
Mr. Tea
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"Trump's norm transgressive behavior also seems to be particularly appealing, because of the expressed repulsive emotions it causes."
This, I think, is also where is reputation (at least among supporters) as being a "straight-talking guy who tells it like it is" comes from - in contrast to the fact that, even by the standards we've come to expect from politicians, he is egregiously dishonest and is scarcely capable of opening his mouth or picking up his phone without coming out with a whopper.
There's also the interesting fact that, very occasionally, he bluntly tells a truth where an Obama, a Clinton or probably even a Bush would have lied, such as saying (in so many words), "No we're not going to suspend relations with the Saudis because they're too important to us as allies in the Middle East" after they had that journalist brutally murdered.
This, I think, is also where is reputation (at least among supporters) as being a "straight-talking guy who tells it like it is" comes from - in contrast to the fact that, even by the standards we've come to expect from politicians, he is egregiously dishonest and is scarcely capable of opening his mouth or picking up his phone without coming out with a whopper.
There's also the interesting fact that, very occasionally, he bluntly tells a truth where an Obama, a Clinton or probably even a Bush would have lied, such as saying (in so many words), "No we're not going to suspend relations with the Saudis because they're too important to us as allies in the Middle East" after they had that journalist brutally murdered.
blissblogger
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Mike Leigh is the godfather of cringe-com with TV plays like Abigail's Party and Nuts in May. That's late 70s. Excruciating to watch.
My missus was early to identify the genre, although the phrase might have been in the air already i'm not sure
https://www.villagevoice.com/2003/01/21/the-comedy-of-cringe/
My missus was early to identify the genre, although the phrase might have been in the air already i'm not sure
https://www.villagevoice.com/2003/01/21/the-comedy-of-cringe/
His lack of shame completely short circuits the usual lines of attack. I remember seeing Bill Burr on Conan a few years ago saying what Trump's shown is that if you just say "Yeah, and?" rather than apologising then nothing really happens.
Leo
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yeah, I vaguely recall he even said something like "they buy a lot of arms from us", essentially justifying it. admitting they've done horrendous things but they are a big customer so we give them a pass. no one else would even have the stomach to say it, never mind get away with it. and he basically did get away with it, most people forgot about Khashoggi a month later.
I'm telling' ya, trump's an evil genius. lazy, juvenile, bumbling, lucky and not particularly bright, but an evil genius.
Mr. Tea
Let's Talk About Ceps
Which Syria doesn't even have that much of! Maybe big pipelines from Iraq go through it though? I dunno.
Mr. Tea
Let's Talk About Ceps
I think he has a genius for two things: whipping up a crowd of people who are culturally and morally fairly similar to him (I would have said "ideologically" but I don't think the collection of positions he holds adds up to anything as coherent as an ideology - to the extent that he holds any positions at all, except what is most advantageous to him and his family at any given time), and knowing exactly how far he can bend the rules and how flagrantly he can break the law without getting bumped off by a rival or put in jail.
Still takes some going to top this utter gem
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/north_west/3664381.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/north_west/3664381.stm
Mr. Tea
Let's Talk About Ceps
shiels
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So what are some memories that you still cringe at? Strangely some of the things that haunt me aren’t objectively that bad.
Years ago I was walking out of the office of a shitty marketing job after a half-day on a Friday to head to amsterdam with a friend. On my way out through an open plan area an older colleague asked me where I was off to, probably six or seven people watching on. I told him amsterdam, then for some reason went into a strained small talk explanation of what we were going for... “it’s a lovely city to see by bike y’know, nice universities and that…” and in anticipation of them thinking it was about drugs (it was about drugs!) I said “it’s not about the…” and did the finger and thumb to mouth sign for smoking a joint. A kind of a nervously delivered joke that showed it definitely was “about the...👌.” Everyone just looked on a bit baffled and nodded in silence, and I went red, “anyway see ya!”
It doesn’t seem bad written down but it scarred me. Maybe because it was uncharacteristic of me to attempt to cover something up like that, especially to people I didn’t even care about, and also because of the botched delivery. The memory still intrudes at random points, i’ll be out walking and remember and stop and look to the sky like fuuuuck thaaat.
Years ago I was walking out of the office of a shitty marketing job after a half-day on a Friday to head to amsterdam with a friend. On my way out through an open plan area an older colleague asked me where I was off to, probably six or seven people watching on. I told him amsterdam, then for some reason went into a strained small talk explanation of what we were going for... “it’s a lovely city to see by bike y’know, nice universities and that…” and in anticipation of them thinking it was about drugs (it was about drugs!) I said “it’s not about the…” and did the finger and thumb to mouth sign for smoking a joint. A kind of a nervously delivered joke that showed it definitely was “about the...👌.” Everyone just looked on a bit baffled and nodded in silence, and I went red, “anyway see ya!”
It doesn’t seem bad written down but it scarred me. Maybe because it was uncharacteristic of me to attempt to cover something up like that, especially to people I didn’t even care about, and also because of the botched delivery. The memory still intrudes at random points, i’ll be out walking and remember and stop and look to the sky like fuuuuck thaaat.
