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    Pearsall:
    >I don't want to get dragged into this thread, but this is one of those great myths, that Saddam was primarily armed by the United States

    i'm not sure if i do either!


    and that's a fine link Pearsall, i've never seen that page before.

    however, is this really a myth?

    most people, AFAIK, are aware that in general you can reduce the arming of Iraq in the 1980's primarily to the likes of the Soviets and the French before you have to finger Uncle Sam.

    i would have thought so anyway.

    just a small thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scottdisco
    and that's a fine link Pearsall, i've never seen that page before.

    however, is this really a myth?

    most people, AFAIK, are aware that in general you can reduce the arming of Iraq in the 1980's primarily to the likes of the Soviets and the French before you have to finger Uncle Sam.

    i would have thought so anyway.

    just a small thought.
    Hmm, I'm not so sure most people do. There's certainly a lot of 'arming Saddam and then bombing him when he stepped out of line blah blah blah' rhetoric from parts of the Left. I think a lot of people are unaware of (relatively) how little American arms shipments were in the sum of Saddam's arsenal.

    But that's by the by, I don't want to get sucked into this swamp pit of a topic.

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    yeah those are fair points by most people i just meant 'mates of mine in England', which is hardly representative...

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    of course redcrescent wrote "Saddam was in power for decades (with tacit Western approval, ---support, even --- not to say weapon supplies" to be fair and so silly to query Pearsall but i assume your fine link was not directed at anyone in particular on this board?

    but yeah no fair play

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    do I have to read and listen for you

    Ok, I apologise. That was rather out of order. I'm quite ashamed.

    I was menstruating, if you have to know.

    I will now enforce a personal ban on the word 'Islamist' for one whole week. This is for my own good and no other reason.

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    at risk of angering Oliver, can i just say

    redcrescent:
    >Isn't much of the instability in Algeria due to the fact that the Islamist FIS party, which had legitimately won democratic elections in the early >90s, was not allowed to actually take over the government? Or do we only accept the results of democratic elections when the results are >convenient for us?

    this is true (following a first-round victory the Fis was suspended in 1992).
    and Algiers was guilty of the most horrendous crimes back then.
    see for example below
    http://www.hrw.org/reports/1993/WR93....htm#P71_39546

    but isn't Oliver right OTM w' his other 'Islamist' points?

    i don't know.

    without getting at Craner
    because i suppose my views on this thread would most likely be to follow him (oh and what Wrong said, and sufi too).

    very confused (and didn't read thread until it was five pages old)

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    "elections, iraq after palestine"

    from الاتحاد

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    Quote Originally Posted by slate.msn.com

    SADDAM WILL RETURN!
    And written underneath:
    THROUGH MY ASS!

    BUSH THE FATHER LIBERATED KUWAIT. BUSH THE SON LIBERATED IRAQ, THEN SYRIA, THEN IRAN. BUSH THE GRANDSON WILL LIBERATE THE WHOLE WORLD!

    ANARCHY IS GOVERNING THROUGH A PARLIAMENT AND AN EXECUTIVE AUTHORITY

    A THOUSAND AMERICANS, OK. BUT NOT A SINGLE TIKRITI!

    DEATH TO ALL DIRTY BAATHISTS, THE TYRANTS!

    LONG LIVE IRAQ! DOWN WITH AMERICA!

    LONG LIVE BUSH THE BELIEVER, THE HONEST, THE HONORED, AND DOWN WITH SADDAM, THE INFIDEL, THE ATHEIST, THE UNBELIEVER!

    HIS COMING WAS A DISASTER, HIS STAYING WAS A DISASTER, AND HIS LEAVING IS A DISASTER

    RAISE YOUR HEAD; YOU ARE AN IRAQI!

    LONG LIVE AHMAD AL-CHALABI, THE IRAQI, THE SON OF IRAQ!

    CHALABI'S SHOE IS A CROWN FOR THE MALE PROSTITUTE OF JORDAN AND ALL THE OTHER ARAB TRAITORS!

    DOWN WITH AHMAD CHALABI, MAN OF CATS!

    CHALABI IS A REAL IRAQI HERO

    CHALABI IS THE ENGINEER OF DEMOCRACY
    And underneath is written:
    ZIONISTS SAID THAT!

    WE ARE BELIEVING MUSLIMS WITHOUT SECTARIANISM; WE ARE IRAQI PATRIOTS WITHOUT FANATICISM

    OUR WEALTH IS OUR OWN, OUR OIL WILL ENRICH US IF WE CAN GET IT BACK INTO OUR HANDS

    SADDAM HAS VANISHED INTO THE CESSPIT OF HISTORY

    SHAME AND DISGRACE TO THE AGENTS AND TRAITORS WHO SOLD THEIR IRAQ CHEAPLY WITH THEIR OWN HONOR TO THE AMERICANS AND THE BRITISH AND THE ZIONISTS

    DOWN BUSH, DOWN BREMER

    ALLAH AKHBAR AND VICTORY TO THE GREAT IRAQ

    THE GOVERNING COUNCIL IS A COUNCIL OF AGENTS, TRAITORS, SPIES, AND MERCENARIES

    DONKEYS PISS HERE!
    And underneath is written:
    AND PIMPS AND BAATHISTS

    ACHIEVEMENTS OF THE POST-LIBERATION IRAQ:
    105 NEWSPAPERS (ALL LIES)
    110 FAILED PARTIES
    300 THIEVES' ORGANIZATIONS
    500 UNIONS WITH NO WORK
    600 HEADQUARTERS FOR PLUNDERING AND STEALING
    700 MOVEMENTS WITH NO BLESSING OR GOOD
    25,000 SPIES FOR THE AMERICANS
    4,000 EMPLOYEES IN OFFICIAL OFFICES, ALL THIEVES
    5,000 DOUBLE AGENTS FOR THE AMERICANS AND FOR SADDAM AT THE SAME TIME
    2 MILLION HOMELESS FAMILIES WITH NO DIGNITY
    25 MILLION IRAQIS THAT WANT TO LEAVE IRAQ
    —Anonymous pavement newspaper tacked up on a wall near Medical City

    THE NEW FINANCE MINISTER IS A THIEF LIKE A BAATHIST. WHERE DID 25 PERCENT OF OUR SALARIES GO, YOU THIEF?

    WHERE ARE THE OIL REVENUES GOING? AND WHERE ARE THE REVENUES FROM THE HOLY RELIGIOUS SHRINES, YOU GOVERNING COUNCIL!

    SADDAM ATE BEANS AND EMITTED STINKY AIR

    LONG LIVE SADDAM, IN SPITE OF HIS FOOL CRAZIES!
    And underneath is written:
    SADDAM IS A PIMP; ASK YOUR SISTER!

    DISGRACE FOR THE AGENTS OF THE AMERICANS AND ETERNAL GLORY FOR THE MARTYR OF IRAQ AND ISLAM

    THE PEOPLE IN THE AL-FAHDL QUARTER ARE ALL IN THE SERVICE OF THE BAATHIST LEADER SADDAM HUSSEIN

    PATIENCE, BAGHDAD, PATIENCE, SADDAM IS COMING BACK SOON
    And underneath is written:
    TO FINISH OFF WHAT REMAINS OF THE IRAQI PEOPLE OR TO FUCK YOUR MOTHER?

    PATIENCE, BAGHDAD, PATIENCE, SADDAM IS COMING BACK SOON
    And underneath is written:
    HAND CUFFED, BY THE WILL OF GOD

    LET YOUR HEADS APPEAR, YOU BAATHISTS. WHERE ARE YOU HIDING? IN THE SEWAGE PIPES?

    IRAQ IS THE MUSTACHE OF EVERY HONORABLE MAN—The Army of Mohammed

    WE SWEAR WE WILL MAKE MASS GRAVES FROM IRAQ'S LAND FOR ALL THE TRAITORS AND ALL THE AGENTS OF THE AMERICANS AND THE ZIONISTS—Army of Mohammed
    And underneath is written:
    WE ALREADY KNOW MASS GRAVES ARE YOUR SPECIALTY; GOD IS OUR WITNESS ON THAT

    GAS MAKOO [none or unavailable] OIL MAKOO, WORK MAKOO, MONEY MAKOO, WATER MAKOO, ELECTRICITY MAKOO: WE HAVE EXCHANGED DIRT FOR A SMELL. LONG LIVE AMERICA!

    INCREASE IN RATION SHARES:
    100 KG. SADNESS, PAIN, AND MELANCHOLY FOR EACH CITIZEN
    50 KG. WORRY, GRIEF, AND SORROW FOR EACH HEAD OF HOUSEHOLD
    10 PROBLEMS PER FAMILY
    4 VOLTS ELECTRICITY PER HOUSE
    1 MASS CEMETERY PER CITY DISTRICT
    5 RANDOMLY SHOT BULLETS PER STREET, INCREASED TO 50 BULLETS ON THURSDAYS
    1 GAS CANISTER PER FAMILY PER MONTH
    2 KEROSENE BOTTLES PER FAMILY PER MONTH
    10 CANS OF FOOD PER FAMILY PER MONTH: VARIOUS OF UNKNOWN ORIGIN AND FULL OF DIFFERENT POISONS
    NB: TRANSPORTATION COSTS ARE BORNE BY MR. BREMER
    —Anonymous pavement newspaper tacked up on a wall near Medical City

    EVERYONE WANTS TO BE PRESIDENT OF IRAQ, EVEN THE PORTERS AT THE SHARJAH BAZAAR

    GIVE THANKS TO GOD THAT ODAI AND QUSAI WERE KILLED

    THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. BUSH, AND A THOUSAND THANK YOUS FOR MR. GOOD IRAQI BREMER

    ONE SHOE OF MR. BUSH HONORS ALL THE ARABS

    A PILE OF STONES IS BETTER THAN SUCH NEIGHBORS

    BE FRIGHTENED OF GOD, PROSTITUTE OF JORDAN! AND YOU THE TURBANED MEN OF IRAN, AND YOU GRANDSONS OF THE OTTOMAN TURKS

    TURKEY AND IRAN ARE A SPLIT TURD

    SYRIA, JORDAN, AND EGYPT, A TRIO OF TERRORIST ARABS ARE LIKE SCATTERED SHIT

    WOE FOR THE WINE SELLERS AND THE VENDORS OF NUDISM AND LIBERTINISM

    WE DON'T WANT AN IRAQI ARMY, EITHER VOLUNTARY OR DRAFT, BECAUSE ITS OFFICERS WILL ALWAYS BE ROTTEN, INFIDEL CRIMINALS—Written on the walls of the Military Academy in Rustamiyah

    DO YOU WANT TO BE A KING? JUST EATING AND SHITTING AND GETTING PAID? JUST BE AN OFFICER IN THE IRAQI ARMY THEN—Written on the walls of the Military Academy in Rustamiyah

    ONE AMERICAN SOLDIER IS MORE HONORED THAN ALL THE OFFICERS OF THE IRAQI ARMY—Written on the walls of the Military Academy in Rustamiyah

    A THOUSAND CURSES ON YOUR MOTHERS AND FATHERS EVERY DAY YOU CUT THE ELECTRICITY, YOU SADDAM, ATHEIST WITHOUT A WATER PITCHER [not washing himself after defecating]

    A CURSE OF GOD ON THE AMERICANS AND SADDAM TOGETHER!

    YES FOR SISTANI, WHO SPEAKS A LITTLE BUT SAYS A LOT.

    YOU DO NOT BUILD NATIONS BY BEATING CHESTS, SADR!

    HALF OF IRAQ WAS DESTROYED WHEN THE JEWS LEFT IN THE '40S, AND BY YOUR ANNOUNCEMENTS, MR. SADR, OTHER DENOMINATIONS ARE GOING TO HAVE TO LEAVE IRAQ. IS THE DESTRUCTION OF IRAQ YOUR PURPOSE, MR. SADR?

    MUQTADA: EITHER SPEAK USEFULLY OR BE ENTIRELY SILENT!

    MR. BUSH: DUNGHILLS AND CESSPITS AND MAFIA CONTROL THE PAVEMENTS. HALF OF THE IRAQIS STEAL FROM THE OTHER HALF TO LIVE ON THE DUNG HEAPS OF THE AMERICAN ARMY. IS THIS THE WELFARE AND WELL-BEING YOU PROMISED THE IRAQIS, MR. BUSH?


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