henrymiller
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but models don't give interviews in general, it's not just the divine kate.
Kate Moss
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This is from one of the rare interviews online:
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1285/is_3_29/ai_54133697/pg_2
[they're discussing Johnny Depp in the first part here]
IS: Because you're equally famous. That will probably come as a shock to you, but it's true.
KM: Yes, but it's different. I don't speak and he does. People don't hear me talk.
IS: You mean people don't expect you to talk.
KM: Right, they don't expect me to. And when people see an actor speak they think they know him or her. Whereas I'm just a face or a body to them.
IS: Right, right. What about the assumption that because someone's a model they don't have a mind?
KM' It's just one more thing they put on you.
IS: Do you think that assumption is a leftover of sexism and machismo?
KM: Yes. Definitely. And of ignorance.
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In the couple of interviews I've seen online it's quite stunning how little she reveals about anything. I'm sure, though, she probably does have some rather interesting things to say. There's no way you do all this from 14+, meeting all those people, travelling everywhere without picking up a least a couple of good jokes.
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1285/is_3_29/ai_54133697/pg_2
[they're discussing Johnny Depp in the first part here]
IS: Because you're equally famous. That will probably come as a shock to you, but it's true.
KM: Yes, but it's different. I don't speak and he does. People don't hear me talk.
IS: You mean people don't expect you to talk.
KM: Right, they don't expect me to. And when people see an actor speak they think they know him or her. Whereas I'm just a face or a body to them.
IS: Right, right. What about the assumption that because someone's a model they don't have a mind?
KM' It's just one more thing they put on you.
IS: Do you think that assumption is a leftover of sexism and machismo?
KM: Yes. Definitely. And of ignorance.
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In the couple of interviews I've seen online it's quite stunning how little she reveals about anything. I'm sure, though, she probably does have some rather interesting things to say. There's no way you do all this from 14+, meeting all those people, travelling everywhere without picking up a least a couple of good jokes.
I can't help thinking of that Wire song that went "You're an energy void / a black hole to avoid / no style no heart /you don't even start / to interest me / not even curiosity". Might be a predictable response for a hetro male who'll never meet her, you might suggest, but that's not true - I honestly don't think anything when I see her, or a lot of models - I don't like or dislike any of them. Might as well be a mannequin in the Berketex store in Golders Green. The only model I ever really thought was great was Marie Helvin, but I was at school at the time.
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henrymiller
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it would be interesting to read a history of the interview form, would it not? they're so ubiquitous today, but the changing for of them... i know that once upon a time (and this is still true in places) it was customary to 'write up' answers as an article proper, hence film magazines would run 'pieces' by anthony mann or whoever.
i think models might have something interesting to say about modelling, but their image is not meant to be 'accessible', usually.
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Martin - Any girl that makes you think of Wire can't be all that bad....
This is an extremely interesting point (and not just because I'm struggling with a certain interview right now and exactly this question - whether to leave it in q + a form, or make it a 'piece', incorporating the responses in a structured way while maybe quoting some of them at length, etc.).
The q + a-type interview is clearly much 'easier' from the point of view of the interviewer (ok, so you have to think of some stunning questions in the first place, but the transcribing is just hack work if you've recorded it).
The 'piece' model obviously hands more total control to the interviewer, who can also make rude/pleasant comments about the dress/demeanour of the interviewee and so on....it's a tricky one.
So - history of the interview form...if it existed I'd buy it.
henrymiller said:
This is an extremely interesting point (and not just because I'm struggling with a certain interview right now and exactly this question - whether to leave it in q + a form, or make it a 'piece', incorporating the responses in a structured way while maybe quoting some of them at length, etc.).
The q + a-type interview is clearly much 'easier' from the point of view of the interviewer (ok, so you have to think of some stunning questions in the first place, but the transcribing is just hack work if you've recorded it).
The 'piece' model obviously hands more total control to the interviewer, who can also make rude/pleasant comments about the dress/demeanour of the interviewee and so on....it's a tricky one.
So - history of the interview form...if it existed I'd buy it.
heheheh. thought you were turning it into a fully fledged thinkpiece...?
on the celeb vs star thing..... i was walking down charing x rd yesterday, and for the first time ever (in 6 years of living in London) found myself right next to a crowd of paparazzi outside a theatre, who suddenly leapt into action at an extremely nondescript sloaney woman- was shocked first by the force of it, all the flashbulbs, people running in all directions- and also by how dull this person looked, how they didn't have any light, any quality of fame or otherness...i didn't even know who they were (according to my Heat reading friend it was Sienna Miller and i barely know who she is anyhow...)
on the celeb vs star thing..... i was walking down charing x rd yesterday, and for the first time ever (in 6 years of living in London) found myself right next to a crowd of paparazzi outside a theatre, who suddenly leapt into action at an extremely nondescript sloaney woman- was shocked first by the force of it, all the flashbulbs, people running in all directions- and also by how dull this person looked, how they didn't have any light, any quality of fame or otherness...i didn't even know who they were (according to my Heat reading friend it was Sienna Miller and i barely know who she is anyhow...)
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celeb/star
but did you see that lost footage of Garbo they showed on newsnight yesterday? aged 44 or something, 'twas a screentest she did several years after quitting for a film that never got made. All she did was turn her head and smile and laugh and little things - but extremely mesmerising in a way that only proper 'stars' are (tagline for Ninotchka - 'Garbo laughs!' - pay, cine-slave, to see the spell get 'broken'..).
interestingly, tho, her 'silence' seems to have gotten her more of a bad rap (or at least a slightly cranky rap) than Moss's - poss cos we expect movie stars to talk more, like Moss says...tho Garbo obv spans the silent/talkies divide historically speaking and all that....
but yeah, hmm, over-exposure doesn't do a whole lot interest-wise these days and sienna miller is one of these borin-looking posh moppets who spring up from time to time, usually to spark one toss fashion flame (in this case awful boho-skirts that make women look like fake peasants)...
the interview - sigh! - yeah, fugg knows what it's gonna look like in the end. It's a weird self-imposed trial that threatens to splurge outta control like ectoplasm in a giant cement mixer. Oh fuck, my metaphors have gotten all tangled....I'll get me coat...
but did you see that lost footage of Garbo they showed on newsnight yesterday? aged 44 or something, 'twas a screentest she did several years after quitting for a film that never got made. All she did was turn her head and smile and laugh and little things - but extremely mesmerising in a way that only proper 'stars' are (tagline for Ninotchka - 'Garbo laughs!' - pay, cine-slave, to see the spell get 'broken'..).
interestingly, tho, her 'silence' seems to have gotten her more of a bad rap (or at least a slightly cranky rap) than Moss's - poss cos we expect movie stars to talk more, like Moss says...tho Garbo obv spans the silent/talkies divide historically speaking and all that....
but yeah, hmm, over-exposure doesn't do a whole lot interest-wise these days and sienna miller is one of these borin-looking posh moppets who spring up from time to time, usually to spark one toss fashion flame (in this case awful boho-skirts that make women look like fake peasants)...
the interview - sigh! - yeah, fugg knows what it's gonna look like in the end. It's a weird self-imposed trial that threatens to splurge outta control like ectoplasm in a giant cement mixer. Oh fuck, my metaphors have gotten all tangled....I'll get me coat...
Ness Rowlah
Norwegian Wood
couldn't help to notice the front page of the Mirror today (Kate Moss doing some coke, the Mirror manages to squeeze half a dozen pages out of the story).
Nothing on their website but the Anorak (shouldn't that be a site for trainspotters)
has some lines on it:
http://www.anorak.co.uk/news.cfm?id=168551
Nothing on their website but the Anorak (shouldn't that be a site for trainspotters)
has some lines on it:
http://www.anorak.co.uk/news.cfm?id=168551
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From the same anorak piece you just quoted:
Now that would really be worth a front cover, and I bet she'd make sure she got it right too, not like Harry with his summer/winter uniform mixup...it's a shame she wasn't doing some rough speed mixed with washing powder tho. Hanging out with rock stars aint all that, clearly.
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A pretty decent piece today by Zadie Smith, of all people, on Garbo:
http://film.guardian.co.uk/features/featurepages/0,4120,1570315,00.html
http://film.guardian.co.uk/features/featurepages/0,4120,1570315,00.html
henrymiller
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i think sienna is teh hott, also she is kinda interesting in that she's subverting the usual 'less famous g/f' of by totally pwning jude law and becoming a bigger star while his own thing has kind oif crashed and burned (too many bad movies).
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it might just be that i'm more aware of it now, but there seems to be loads of press about kate moss at the moment- 2 articles in the G2 this week, both covering ground that has been discussed on this thread (the whole not-speaking mystique etc)
one of the articles expressed horror that when she DOES speak, she speaks in a south london working class voice. i don't understand what the problem is. surely the WORST thing is to have adopted a fake american accent, as streatham born naomi cambell has?
and the south london accent's wicked anyway.
one of the articles expressed horror that when she DOES speak, she speaks in a south london working class voice. i don't understand what the problem is. surely the WORST thing is to have adopted a fake american accent, as streatham born naomi cambell has?
and the south london accent's wicked anyway.
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damn, missed the g2 pieces and haven't seen any papers today (oh, online! I'll have a look). Perhaps they lifted stuff from the thread....wouldn't be at all surprised. I've met some of the guardian folk during some internship a million years ago (don't ask, it was terrible, people spent all day chucking tennis balls at each other and making funny faces behind other writers). Stealing from a forum is the sort of thing they would do! Though perhaps we didn't really say much that others haven't already.
Saying that Moss looks 'like Madame de Pompadour, only slightly less chaste', as Jess Carter-Morley argues is just stupid. Madame de Pompadour looked extravagantly unchaste, as befitted a mistress of Louis XV and general saloon-running French ponce of the mid-18th century. Pah! These media people.
'Last night, a spokesman for Kate said: "As you well know, she never discusses her private life."' from the Mirror is quite good tho.
Saying that Moss looks 'like Madame de Pompadour, only slightly less chaste', as Jess Carter-Morley argues is just stupid. Madame de Pompadour looked extravagantly unchaste, as befitted a mistress of Louis XV and general saloon-running French ponce of the mid-18th century. Pah! These media people.
'Last night, a spokesman for Kate said: "As you well know, she never discusses her private life."' from the Mirror is quite good tho.
luka
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EXCLUSIVE: Sex with Davinia and Sadie..AND Sadie and Jude
COCAINE KATE'S 3-IN-BED LESBIAN ORGIES
By Phil Taylor and Jane Atkinson
DRUG-DAZED Kate Moss lay on a hotel bed with star pals Sadie Frost and Hollyoaks actress Davinia Taylor and spoke the words that would change their friendships forever.
"Have you ever had sex with a woman?" purred the supermodel—gazing at Davinia as she slipped out of her party dress. "Well, why don't we do it right now?"
So the three pals stripped and began a lesbian three-in-a-bed sex session in a suite in London's posh Claridges after a drunken showbiz bash.
And the trigger for it was, as it would always be, Kate's cocaine and booze addiction.
Fashion PA Rebecca White, who has known the catwalk beauty since 1998, revealed: "Kate is naturally a very sexually open person. But, when she's doing cocaine, she becomes even more so and will fall into bed with whoever she chooses. Women as well as men."
After that night at Claridges three years ago, Kate bedded her pals together at least one more time, then slept with them separately. By that time she had also indulged in threesomes with Sadie and her then Hollywood star husband Jude Law.
Here, the News of the World exposes Kate's sad descent from world-class fashion babe into a shambolic life of debauchery—made even worse by her disastrous relationship with heroin addict Babyshambles singer Pete Doherty.
Jealous
Following a shock investigation involving several different sources close to the 31-year-old catwalk queen and her friends, the News of the World can reveal how she:
COAXED Sadie's then jealous husband Jude Law into taking part in her sex sessions with Sadie to keep him sweet over their lesbian affair.
ROMPED with blonde Davinia on SIX more occasions—and tried to carry on their fling after the soap star had married David Beckham's sports agent pal Dave Gardner.
BEDDED Sadie at a holiday villa while the actress's then lover Jackson Scott was there.
FORCED Sadie to vow never to sleep with any other women but her.
POUNCED on American pal Rebecca White while high on cocaine in a hotel and kissed and groped her naked on the bed, and
HELD such a grip over her tight circle of A-list friends that they have become known as "Kate's Disciples."
We also reveal the depths of deluded Croydon-born Kate's cocaine addiction, which earned her the nickname of ‘The Conjurer' because of the way she sets up lines of the drug.
Last week Kate's drug addiction hit the headlines after she was pictured snorting cocaine through a rolled-up banknote.
But the secret depraved sex life the drug has triggered is even more shocking—and it began three years ago at posh Claridges with pals Sadie, 41, and 27-year-old Davinia.
"Kate was high and the other two were drunk at a bash. They went up to a suite and got in bed together," said a source close to Kate. "Kate started chatting about sex. She had already been to bed with Sadie—so she asked Davinia if she had ever done it with a woman before and, bosh, that was it.
"They started snogging and soon they were naked and having a threesome with Sadie. It wasn't a one-off. Kate had one-on-one sessions with Sadie and even got Jude involved in a threesome with her."
Another witness said Davinia and Sadie also had a threesome at Kate's house after getting drunk.
"Kate had been taking drugs," said our source. "But Davinia and Sadie were in a drunken stupor and virtually passed out on Kate's bed. The three of them all ended up naked on the bed and it went on from there.
"Kate slept with Davinia half a dozen times before she married Dave Gardner.
"Six months ago Kate went to Davinia's home and dared her to kiss her while her husband was away.
"They were both p****d and had a full-on snog. Davinia wouldn't go any further that day. But, usually, when Kate wants someone she just gives them the look—and I've never known anyone turn her down."
Lust
Our dossier shows Sadie has been the major focus of Kate's bisexual lust. And it caused friction with Jude Law and flamenco star Jackson Scott — the lover Sadie took up with after her split from her husband.
Kate dealt with the Jude problem simply by getting the sex-mad actor involved. Another source close to Sadie Frost told us: "Sadie doesn't really fancy other women, but it has become normal between her and Kate. Jude started to hate it when his wife was alone with Kate.
"So they had threesomes—Jude, Kate and Sadie—because he didn't like it when he wasn't involved. At one of Kate's parties Sadie was having sex openly with Kate and they were all over each other's breasts."
Sadie and Jackson split in August.
And we can reveal that Sadie's relationship with Kate has also cooled.
"Kate went off Sadie when she split from Jude. She'd sleep with people if they were important," said a source close to the actress.
"Sadie is in love with Kate, she is possessive over her but Kate is not so interested in her now. I was told that Sadie went mad when she heard Kate was trying to get off with Davinia."
Rebecca White knows only too well the mayhem drugs cause in the supermodel's sex life. "When she's doing cocaine, it's normal behaviour for her to jump on a couch with another woman and start fondling her breasts."
In 2002, while Rebecca was working for Naomi Campbell in Barcelona, she experienced first hand the supermodel's insatiable craving for cocaine AND women on the same day.
"Kate said she had to go back to the hotel to change," she recalled.
"She said: ‘And YOU'RE coming with me'. So I did.
"When we got to her hotel room, Kate tore off her dress, came up to me in her panties and started kissing me.
Strange
"We fell onto the bed together and she touched my breasts, but after a few minutes of groping and kissing, I started to feel nervous and gently pushed her away."
A further source who knows Kate well told us she believed the model's lesbianism went into overdrive after she had secret treatment for alcohol and cocaine addiction at the Priory clinic in Roehampton.
She also says junkie Kate dreams of creating a bohemian "set" among her friends—swapping partners and being bisexual. "Kate sees this as exciting and spicy."
But whereas Kate sees her dream as stylish, other pals realise it is just a drug-fuelled illusion.
"Everyone calls her and her mates Kate and the Disciples," said our source.
"Everyone knows she swings both ways. She is awful for going at it with girls when she's off her head on coke or booze. She would not do it when she was sober."
For more exclusive revelations on troubled supermodel Kate Moss—including graphic and disturbing details of her crazed world of drug and booze binges—buy this week's News of the World.
COCAINE KATE'S 3-IN-BED LESBIAN ORGIES
By Phil Taylor and Jane Atkinson
DRUG-DAZED Kate Moss lay on a hotel bed with star pals Sadie Frost and Hollyoaks actress Davinia Taylor and spoke the words that would change their friendships forever.
"Have you ever had sex with a woman?" purred the supermodel—gazing at Davinia as she slipped out of her party dress. "Well, why don't we do it right now?"
So the three pals stripped and began a lesbian three-in-a-bed sex session in a suite in London's posh Claridges after a drunken showbiz bash.
And the trigger for it was, as it would always be, Kate's cocaine and booze addiction.
Fashion PA Rebecca White, who has known the catwalk beauty since 1998, revealed: "Kate is naturally a very sexually open person. But, when she's doing cocaine, she becomes even more so and will fall into bed with whoever she chooses. Women as well as men."
After that night at Claridges three years ago, Kate bedded her pals together at least one more time, then slept with them separately. By that time she had also indulged in threesomes with Sadie and her then Hollywood star husband Jude Law.
Here, the News of the World exposes Kate's sad descent from world-class fashion babe into a shambolic life of debauchery—made even worse by her disastrous relationship with heroin addict Babyshambles singer Pete Doherty.
Jealous
Following a shock investigation involving several different sources close to the 31-year-old catwalk queen and her friends, the News of the World can reveal how she:
COAXED Sadie's then jealous husband Jude Law into taking part in her sex sessions with Sadie to keep him sweet over their lesbian affair.
ROMPED with blonde Davinia on SIX more occasions—and tried to carry on their fling after the soap star had married David Beckham's sports agent pal Dave Gardner.
BEDDED Sadie at a holiday villa while the actress's then lover Jackson Scott was there.
FORCED Sadie to vow never to sleep with any other women but her.
POUNCED on American pal Rebecca White while high on cocaine in a hotel and kissed and groped her naked on the bed, and
HELD such a grip over her tight circle of A-list friends that they have become known as "Kate's Disciples."
We also reveal the depths of deluded Croydon-born Kate's cocaine addiction, which earned her the nickname of ‘The Conjurer' because of the way she sets up lines of the drug.
Last week Kate's drug addiction hit the headlines after she was pictured snorting cocaine through a rolled-up banknote.
But the secret depraved sex life the drug has triggered is even more shocking—and it began three years ago at posh Claridges with pals Sadie, 41, and 27-year-old Davinia.
"Kate was high and the other two were drunk at a bash. They went up to a suite and got in bed together," said a source close to Kate. "Kate started chatting about sex. She had already been to bed with Sadie—so she asked Davinia if she had ever done it with a woman before and, bosh, that was it.
"They started snogging and soon they were naked and having a threesome with Sadie. It wasn't a one-off. Kate had one-on-one sessions with Sadie and even got Jude involved in a threesome with her."
Another witness said Davinia and Sadie also had a threesome at Kate's house after getting drunk.
"Kate had been taking drugs," said our source. "But Davinia and Sadie were in a drunken stupor and virtually passed out on Kate's bed. The three of them all ended up naked on the bed and it went on from there.
"Kate slept with Davinia half a dozen times before she married Dave Gardner.
"Six months ago Kate went to Davinia's home and dared her to kiss her while her husband was away.
"They were both p****d and had a full-on snog. Davinia wouldn't go any further that day. But, usually, when Kate wants someone she just gives them the look—and I've never known anyone turn her down."
Lust
Our dossier shows Sadie has been the major focus of Kate's bisexual lust. And it caused friction with Jude Law and flamenco star Jackson Scott — the lover Sadie took up with after her split from her husband.
Kate dealt with the Jude problem simply by getting the sex-mad actor involved. Another source close to Sadie Frost told us: "Sadie doesn't really fancy other women, but it has become normal between her and Kate. Jude started to hate it when his wife was alone with Kate.
"So they had threesomes—Jude, Kate and Sadie—because he didn't like it when he wasn't involved. At one of Kate's parties Sadie was having sex openly with Kate and they were all over each other's breasts."
Sadie and Jackson split in August.
And we can reveal that Sadie's relationship with Kate has also cooled.
"Kate went off Sadie when she split from Jude. She'd sleep with people if they were important," said a source close to the actress.
"Sadie is in love with Kate, she is possessive over her but Kate is not so interested in her now. I was told that Sadie went mad when she heard Kate was trying to get off with Davinia."
Rebecca White knows only too well the mayhem drugs cause in the supermodel's sex life. "When she's doing cocaine, it's normal behaviour for her to jump on a couch with another woman and start fondling her breasts."
In 2002, while Rebecca was working for Naomi Campbell in Barcelona, she experienced first hand the supermodel's insatiable craving for cocaine AND women on the same day.
"Kate said she had to go back to the hotel to change," she recalled.
"She said: ‘And YOU'RE coming with me'. So I did.
"When we got to her hotel room, Kate tore off her dress, came up to me in her panties and started kissing me.
Strange
"We fell onto the bed together and she touched my breasts, but after a few minutes of groping and kissing, I started to feel nervous and gently pushed her away."
A further source who knows Kate well told us she believed the model's lesbianism went into overdrive after she had secret treatment for alcohol and cocaine addiction at the Priory clinic in Roehampton.
She also says junkie Kate dreams of creating a bohemian "set" among her friends—swapping partners and being bisexual. "Kate sees this as exciting and spicy."
But whereas Kate sees her dream as stylish, other pals realise it is just a drug-fuelled illusion.
"Everyone calls her and her mates Kate and the Disciples," said our source.
"Everyone knows she swings both ways. She is awful for going at it with girls when she's off her head on coke or booze. She would not do it when she was sober."
For more exclusive revelations on troubled supermodel Kate Moss—including graphic and disturbing details of her crazed world of drug and booze binges—buy this week's News of the World.
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From tonight's Evening Standard:
'Twiggy, who likes to rescue those other leggy creatures whose ribs show, greyhounds, has never modelled fur, unlike Miss Moss, who has been known to wear monkey.'
Practically unforgivable, the dead primate-wearing thing. And fancying Sadie Frost, deeply not good.
But, even so, if you were loaded, feted and high, surely you would just try it on with your famous pals for kicks, or, indeed, for any no good reason at all, other than the fact that you could plus that not being likely to be turned down thing...?
History of Europe, anyone...
I told you she was the girl in the toilets trying to snog you at a party
'Twiggy, who likes to rescue those other leggy creatures whose ribs show, greyhounds, has never modelled fur, unlike Miss Moss, who has been known to wear monkey.'
Practically unforgivable, the dead primate-wearing thing. And fancying Sadie Frost, deeply not good.
But, even so, if you were loaded, feted and high, surely you would just try it on with your famous pals for kicks, or, indeed, for any no good reason at all, other than the fact that you could plus that not being likely to be turned down thing...?
Well, dur...
History of Europe, anyone...
I told you she was the girl in the toilets trying to snog you at a party
Phwoarrrrr! Salacious stuff...
Oh well, pretty ordinary... I guess she wouldn't be the girl who'd try to snog me in the toilets then...
I saw this one on the news last week-end actually. Apparently the story has done nothing to affect her modelling assignments book tour etc. I had to laugh.
"Kate went off Sadie when she split from Jude. She'd sleep with people if they were important," said a source close to the actress.
Oh well, pretty ordinary... I guess she wouldn't be the girl who'd try to snog me in the toilets then...
I saw this one on the news last week-end actually. Apparently the story has done nothing to affect her modelling assignments book tour etc. I had to laugh.