IdleRich

IdleRich
As jack green, Reid started a self-published fanzine called newspaper dedicated to the work of Gaddis. In the first edition of the 'zine, green claimed that The Recognitions was the greatest book of all time. After meeting Gaddis, green wrote an article called Fire the bastards! for newspaper #12 that fiercely denounced the literary critics whom he believes doomed the novel with their bad reviews. In 1962, he also took out a full-page ad in The Village Voice heralding the paperback edition of The Recognitions (in which he again took a swipe at the critics).
Many in the literary scene mistakenly thought "jack green" was a pseudonym for Gaddis himself, while others believed that Gaddis paid for Green's ad.
Life imitating art as there is a scene early in The Recognitions when the (sort of) main character is approached by a critic on the eve of his first painting exhibition, he offers him good reviews in exchange for a cut of any sales but is rebuffed and savages the show leading to it to sink without trace, the paintings being stored in a warehouse which ultimately burns down.
 

Corpsey

bandz ahoy
Happened to read Orwell's review of Mein Kampf today, love it:

"Suppose that Hitler's programme could be put into effect. What he envisages, a hundred years hence, is a continuous state of 250 million Germans with plenty of "living room" (i.e. stretching to Afghanistan or thereabouts), a horrible brainless empire in which, essentially, nothing ever happens except the training of young men for war and the endless breeding of fresh cannon-fodder. How was it that he was able to put this monstrous vision across? It is easy to say that at one stage of his career he was financed by the heavy industrialists, who saw in him the man who would smash the Socialists and Communists. They would not have backed him, however, if he had not talked a great movement into existence already. Again, the situation in Germany, with its seven million unemployed, was obviously favourable for demagogues. But Hitler could not have succeeded against his many rivals if it had not been for the attraction of his own personality, which one can feel even in the clumsy writing of Mein Kampf, and which is no doubt overwhelming when one hears his speeches...The fact is that there is something deeply appealing about him. One feels it again when one sees his photographs—and I recommend especially the photograph at the beginning of Hurst and Blackett's edition, which shows Hitler in his early Brownshirt days. It is a pathetic, dog-like face, the face of a man suffering under intolerable wrongs. In a rather more manly way it reproduces the expression of innumerable pictures of Christ crucified, and there is little doubt that that is how Hitler sees himself. The initial, personal cause of his grievance against the universe can only be guessed at; but at any rate the grievance is here. He is the martyr, the victim, Prometheus chained to the rock, the self-sacrificing hero who fights single-handed against impossible odds. If he were killing a mouse he would know how to make it seem like a dragon. One feels, as with Napoleon, that he is fighting against destiny, that he can't win, and yet that he somehow deserves to. The attraction of such a pose is of course enormous; half the films that one sees turn upon some such theme.

Also he has grasped the falsity of the hedonistic attitude to life. Nearly all western thought since the last war, certainly all "progressive" thought, has assumed tacitly that human beings desire nothing beyond ease, security and avoidance of pain. In such a view of life there is no room, for instance, for patriotism and the military virtues. The Socialist who finds his children playing with soldiers is usually upset, but he is never able to think of a substitute for the tin soldiers; tin pacifists somehow won't do. Hitler, because in his own joyless mind he feels it with exceptional strength, knows that human beings don't only want comfort, safety, short working-hours, hygiene, birth-control and, in general, common sense; they also, at least intermittently, want struggle and self-sacrifice, not to mention drums, flags and loyalty-parades. However they may be as economic theories, Fascism and Nazism are psychologically far sounder than any hedonistic conception of life. The same is probably true of Stalin's militarised version of Socialism. All three of the great dictators have enhanced their power by imposing intolerable burdens on their peoples. Whereas Socialism, and even capitalism in a more grudging way, have said to people "I offer you a good time," Hitler has said to them "I offer you struggle, danger and death," and as a result a whole nation flings itself at his feet. Perhaps later on they will get sick of it and change their minds, as at the end of the last war. After a few years of slaughter and starvation "Greatest happiness of the greatest number" is a good slogan, but at this moment "Better an end with horror than a horror without end" is a winner. Now that we are fighting against the man who coined it, we ought not to underrate its emotional appeal."
 

entertainment

Well-known member
The Practice of Everyday Life by Michel de Certeau

Getting through this french academic jargon requires my full concentration, but the payoff is pretty good.
 

IdleRich

IdleRich
You still reading The Recognitions, Rich? How you finding it?0
Yes I am. I'm about 350 pages in and a lot of it I'm enjoying. I think it's weakest when it tries to hard to be funny and creates these slightly forced wacky situations. I can forgive that though cos there's a lot of good stuff... big canvas stuff of loads of characters and I like the little snippets of conversations that he uses to give these overviews of the big city and mad world. There is a big drag party which falls a bit flat... I think that possibly in 1950 a load of men called Big Anna etc in dresses and butch girls dressed as men was intrinsically interesting in a way that it just isn't now. But that's a rare misstep (or just dated I suppose)... the breadth of the characterisation and the learning involved, especially when Wyatt and Valentine talk about art is something in itself. I just don't think you get people who know so much any more, who have ploughed through EVERY important work in Greek, Latin, English, French or German (I know Craner attempted it which is something in itself) and they did it without the internet to give them hints on where to look or crib notes or anything. I mean I guess the canon was smaller and there was more consensus as to what it was but still it was vast... and hearing them debating it and the main guy's understanding of art is truly fascinating. And you can see it as proto-Pynchon in a way, although putting art where he puts nerdy stuff about engineering.
I was away for the weekend and couldn't read but I'm just about to dive back in in fact... hope it stays good.
 

IdleRich

IdleRich
Also should say that the "coloured/negro" characters would probably have been written differently if it was written today. But maybe that's too obvious to even mention.
 

jenks

thread death
Just finished The Penguin Book of Oulipo which has led me to re-read some Perec. In particular I remember which is both incredibly simple in its constraint - each memory begins with the phrase I remember and must be a memory that someone else would have too thus forming a series of bonds/sets with others yet at the same time being a unique set to the rememberer. It has the potential to come across as quite dry and formulaic but the accretion of memories, along with constant patterning of teh same set phrase creates something that i found really beautiful and also really poignant (two words not often bandied about on this part of the forum)

I think the power of the constraint is fascinating - in an era when 'there are no rules' it seems perverse the anthology os full of interesting, exciting, sometimes confusing stuff which doesn't feel constrained but striking and often original in comparison with free wheeling po-mo literature.

https://www.theparisreview.org/blog/2014/07/30/i-remember-georges-perec/

https://hyperallergic.com/206802/rats-build-their-labyrinth-oulipo-in-the-21st-century/
 

IdleRich

IdleRich
There is a really good bit in Confessions of an English Opium eater where he says something about authors self-imposing restrictive rules for their writing, disparagingly describing them as runners in a race who handicap themselves to be the more greatly garlanded when they win. Obviously I can't remember it properly but it seems like a pretty good attack on the kind of writing that would later be developed by the Oolipo guys. That said, I really do enjoy Oolipo authors when I read them... is there anyone else you recommend beyond Perec particularly?
 

jenks

thread death
There is a really good bit in Confessions of an English Opium eater where he says something about authors self-imposing restrictive rules for their writing, disparagingly describing them as runners in a race who handicap themselves to be the more greatly garlanded when they win. Obviously I can't remember it properly but it seems like a pretty good attack on the kind of writing that would later be developed by the Oolipo guys. That said, I really do enjoy Oolipo authors when I read them... is there anyone else you recommend beyond Perec particularly?

Harry Matthews is the great American Oulipo writer but i like what Tony White is doing with his crime novel Fountain in the Forest. There's Calvino and Fournel as well as the godfather of the movement- Raymond Queneau
 

jenks

thread death
There is a really good bit in Confessions of an English Opium eater where he says something about authors self-imposing restrictive rules for their writing, disparagingly describing them as runners in a race who handicap themselves to be the more greatly garlanded when they win. Obviously I can't remember it properly but it seems like a pretty good attack on the kind of writing that would later be developed by the Oolipo guys. That said, I really do enjoy Oolipo authors when I read them... is there anyone else you recommend beyond Perec particularly?

all I'd say about this is that we have no problems with poets work within constraints all the time - i bet he'd have been pissed off to see Keats write in free verse rather than write blank verse or sonnets.
 

catalog

Well-known member
Harry Matthews is the great American Oulipo writer but i like what Tony White is doing with his crime novel Fountain in the Forest. There's Calvino and Fournel as well as the godfather of the movement- Raymond Queneau

Yeah I read that Tony white novel a while ago, it's pretty funny with the crossword words. It's a weird book generally, in that I didn't see the second half at all. Don't think it quite works but I appreciate what he's doing trying to write about important bits of social history.
 

luka

Well-known member
My feeling is that there is a difference between restraint as just what you did, the way the form itself was understood at any given time, and inventing arbitrary restraints for no particular reason.

The latter feels arid, artificial. A way to generate writing in the absence of any productive pressures and compulsions.
 

catalog

Well-known member
But I think people are inventing them as a way of getting out of being stuck maybe. I agree that's more rubbish, but whatever helps is ok by me
 

IdleRich

IdleRich
My feeling is that there is a difference between restraint as just what you did, the way the form itself was understood at any given time, and inventing arbitrary restraints for no particular reason.
Yeah this is it. I don't really know where I stand on the debate... works for some and doesn't work for others I think. But De Quincey having a go at it is part of what makes him a good writer too I guess... and he is very good.
 
Top