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    Quote Originally Posted by mms View Post
    Re: schizophrenia, i don't think the purpose of magic is ultra dark cleansing, violence and self harm, and often that seems to be the route that confuses schizophrenia and magic, where voices are unwanted, harmful dangerous, ie all the things that make up someone caught in some fucking horrible psychosis, and calling that channeling or magick or whatever, i though the key thing was for the person channeling to be in charge.
    Yeah I meant less schizophrenia as pathology and more as neurological symptom - high levels of dopamine are found in people exhibiting symptoms of schizophrenia, produced in the mesolimbic part of the brain, which also has to do with feelings of reward and motivation; I think alot of ritual and magical practise is about stimulating that place (this will happen, etc), thus the area of the brain stimulated is that area in both schizophrenia and magic, regardless of who's in control. Similarly with epileptic seizures and visions.

    I don't think there's anything wrong with that - Deleuze, schizophrenia being a normative state in this system etc - I just think that that's what's going on, and it's not much deeper than that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mistersloane View Post
    Yeah I meant less schizophrenia as pathology and more as neurological symptom - high levels of dopamine are found in people exhibiting symptoms of schizophrenia, produced in the mesolimbic part of the brain, which also has to do with feelings of reward and motivation; I think alot of ritual and magical practise is about stimulating that place (this will happen, etc), thus the area of the brain stimulated is that area in both schizophrenia and magic, regardless of who's in control. Similarly with epileptic seizures and visions.

    I don't think there's anything wrong with that - Deleuze, schizophrenia being a normative state in this system etc - I just think that that's what's going on, and it's not much deeper than that.
    ok, yes thats interesting on the level of ritual.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mistersloane View Post
    I don't think there's anything wrong with that - Deleuze, schizophrenia being a normative state in this system etc - I just think that that's what's going on, and it's not much deeper than that.
    The latest Fulgur release, Legion 49 by Barry William Hale opens with a quote by Deleuze, a first in a book about beelzebub I would of thought.

    And adding to the links, Joel Biroco's site is always worth a visit, although sadly his blog appears to have ceased.

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    i don't know anything about magic but anything that inverts science seems healthy to me. i like this idea of reducing sigils, it's the same as music producing. i must read up on this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mistersloane View Post
    Yeah I meant less schizophrenia as pathology and more as neurological symptom - high levels of dopamine are found in people exhibiting symptoms of schizophrenia, produced in the mesolimbic part of the brain, which also has to do with feelings of reward and motivation; I think alot of ritual and magical practise is about stimulating that place (this will happen, etc), thus the area of the brain stimulated is that area in both schizophrenia and magic, regardless of who's in control. Similarly with epileptic seizures and visions.

    I don't think there's anything wrong with that - Deleuze, schizophrenia being a normative state in this system etc - I just think that that's what's going on, and it's not much deeper than that.
    This is an interesting connection to make...

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    Quote Originally Posted by nochexxx View Post
    i don't know anything about magic but anything that inverts science seems healthy to me.
    How do you 'invert' science, exactly?

    I see magic as proto-science: you do something -> something you don't quite understand happens -> some end result occurs. Chemistry and astronomy were ultimately born of alchemy and astrology, after all, and the study of anatomy may even begun with haruspicy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Tea View Post
    How do you 'invert' science, exactly?

    I see magic as proto-science: you do something -> something you don't quite understand happens -> some end result occurs. Chemistry and astronomy were ultimately born of alchemy and astrology, after all, and the study of anatomy may even begun with haruspicy.

    correct me if im wrong but the little information i've discerned from reading about sigil magick is that it works only once the laws of what the status quo considers natural conduct is bypassed. sigils work outside of ‘science’, or at least the dogmatic version we are led to believe.

    Depending on your vantage point we’ve encountered the inevitable, a schism between the arts and science.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nochexxx View Post
    correct me if im wrong but the little information i've discerned from reading about sigil magick is that it works only once the laws of what the status quo considers natural conduct is bypassed. sigils work outside of ‘science’, or at least the dogmatic version we are led to believe.
    Nah, not really. Generally magick isn't too concerned with how it works I would say. You can have your theories and things but it doesn't really matter. Some theories even purport to be scientific

    The idea with things like sigil magick is that you need to get your usual 'desire' and 'doubt' and rationalisations (how does it work?) and equivocations out of the way for the act of magick to be effective in the way you want it to be. So sigil magick is one way of doing that in that you are trying to hide the meaning of the sigil from your conscious mind.

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    I still use sigils and enjoy working in a neither- neither state but so much rubbish has been written about magick and always will be, it's hard to find your way. You could make a leaflet out of the good stuff that's for sure.

    I'm also a fan a belief systems, in the past I've worshiped a gnome and played dice man with one of those magic fishes you get in xmas crackers - the biggest lesson out of all that was you can build a belief system out of anything if you try hard enough.

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    BBS Moderation through cursing!
    I think it's probably best to nip that kind of thing in the bud, seemed fair enough to me. You don't want a fairly open web2.0 site dealing with 'occult' topics being overrun with too much disruptive mentalism. Generally I like the approach those guys seem to have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Martin Dust View Post
    I still use sigils and enjoy working in a neither- neither state but so much rubbish has been written about magick and always will be, it's hard to find your way. You could make a leaflet out of the good stuff that's for sure.

    I'm also a fan a belief systems, in the past I've worshiped a gnome and played dice man with one of those magic fishes you get in xmas crackers - the biggest lesson out of all that was you can build a belief system out of anything if you try hard enough.
    I tend to read academic books now. Less egotism and madness, from people who know how to write and structure an argument.

    One recent book I did like though - Barry Patterson's The Art of Conversation with the Genius Loci. Great little book.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DannyL View Post
    I tend to read academic books now. Less egotism and madness, from people who know how to write and structure an argument.

    One recent book I did like though - Barry Patterson's The Art of Conversation with the Genius Loci. Great little book.
    I don't think I've picked up a book on magick in years, Ken is more a fan but I got sick of reading the same thing over and over in a more "new age" cover every single time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nochexxx View Post
    correct me if im wrong but the little information i've discerned from reading about sigil magick is that it works only once the laws of what the status quo considers natural conduct is bypassed.
    I couldn't possibly correct you because I have no idea what sigil magick is. But it sounds like a fairly standard po-mo rejection of anything approved of by The Man/The System/The Establishment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Martin Dust View Post
    I don't think I've picked up a book on magick in years, Ken is more a fan but I got sick of reading the same thing over and over in a more "new age" cover every single time.
    I very rarely buy books on the occult. I did buy Dave Lee's new one earlier this year which I liked about 90% of. Pretty original in most parts. Most of the time though, I'd rather read something academic if I'm going to read at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Tea View Post
    I couldn't possibly correct you because I have no idea what sigil magick is. But it sounds like a fairly standard po-mo rejection of anything approved of by The Man/The System/The Establishment.
    It is not!

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