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thirdform

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WebEschatology said:
all this is true but i'd also like to say that @thirdform for me and you and people in here we have to be wary of the talk about England's decline. I know people in here will be saying the fuck are you talking about but this is a paticular kind of rhetoric that's been a cottage industry since what the 50s? and from the 80s it just went from strength to strength since the 80s with a bunch of different names (capitalist realism anyone?)

If anything the talk of decline and declinism works in tandem with the the nationalists right love of talking about reviving the nation to its former glory and to keep play acting like this is still the 80's. Don't get it twisted i get it against the backdrop of everything it makes sense why anybody would dive headlong into this talk (the fact that i've seen people who consider themselves leftists use the conservative talk of deserved and undeserved doesn't help). I'm not saying this as some kinda soc dem and lets be real for all the talk from both Truss and Sunak about what they want to slash,unleash etc they're still beholden to Tory donors who are the real power players in all this more turns and tweaks towards making Britain the equivalent of an off shore tax haven.

in short mans just saying be wary, Britians not gonna sink but that comment is reflective of much of the thinking now that there's effectively no future for anyone or anything and that some kind of natural disaster serves as "punishment" for all our failings(although the irony behind this is wanting the ocean to claim the land if anything takes responsibility away from the people just leave it up to nature or divine power to do its thing)
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I actually agree with this. when I said the future of this country is to be sunk into the ocean it wasn't so much a prediction as something I want to happen. But there's still a lot of tenacity left in the old cow, you're right.
 
pattycakes_

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plot twist: it already sunk and it now exists in a purgatorial state, oblivious to the fact. people assume the end of the world or whatever is going to be some cataclysmic event when just as likely the real action is within and among ourselves. because when you think about it, any end the human race is capable of bringing about will be naught but a blip in the grand scheme of mother mundo. sure, we will mess up the ocean for a while and the ozone etc, but give it a few million years and earth'll be down the galactic pub with the other planets having a good ol' laugh at our expense.
 
pattycakes_

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webbie's responsibility point is it. vengeance is ultimately useless. you'll still be fucked. better to get some heads together and try to figure it out
 
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pattycakes_ said:
plot twist: it already sunk and it now exists in a purgatorial state, oblivious to the fact. people assume the end of the world or whatever is going to be some cataclysmic event when just as likely the real action is within and among ourselves. because when you think about it, any end the human race is capable of bringing about will be naught but a blip in the grand scheme of mother mundo. sure, we will mess up the ocean for a while and the ozone etc, but give it a few million years and earth'll be down the galactic pub with the other planets having a good ol' laugh at our expense.
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that would require the universe to even laugh at all and yknow what patty the fact that we are but a blip in amongst the grand scheme of things is a awfully liberating feeling.

The thing with the people who we keep hearing about doing the worst possible is that they cannot envision a world existing or carrying on with them in it. A quality that even the kool herc of this bullshit Ayn Rand had.
 
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Kurt Vonnegut wrote a piece on Celine that i think is flawed because in some ways he's still too kind to him and the legacy he leaves behind but he ended it on a really poignant note when he talked about his experiences as a medic during world war 1 and seeing the level of incompetency and disregard on display by those who were in command.

"vanity rather than wisdom determines how the world is run" and for me that more than alot of the jargon and they won we lost this is what we deserve talk gets at the heart of it all.

and you can certainly apply it to the 2 biggest political parties in this country
 
luka

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Tortes tharpt vote labour to weaken the left. We have to kill tea if we are serious about power, slowly and painfully
 
Mr. Tea

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luka said:
The right of the Labour Party are Mr Teai
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You're one of the most right-wing people I know! It's patently obvious that what attracted you about Corbyn was his outsider status. If you were American you'd be a MAGA nutter, 100%.
 
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why are so many of mark's original disciples raging right wingers? Does beg the question. Luke, Vim, Craner, Nina, etc etc...

Not that it bothers me, I was always holding the fort against his zizekianism.
 
subvert47

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Mr. Tea said:
*lights blue touchpaper*

*retires to safe distance*
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No need to worry. As I've already said a thousand times, it was the centre and right, not the left, who were fixated on Corbyn – who are still fixated on Corbyn, as you've just demonstrated yet again. Personally I couldn't give a shit what daft gubbins he's come out with. If it is daft gubbins. I don't care enough even to look.
 
Mr. Tea

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subvert47 said:
No need to worry. As I've already said a thousand times, it was the centre and right, not the left, who were fixated on Corbyn – who are still fixated on Corbyn, as you've just demonstrated yet again. Personally I couldn't give a shit what daft gubbins he's come out with. If it is daft gubbins. I don't care enough even to look.
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Lol, you tell yourself that if it helps.
 
Mr. Tea

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You, of course, are one of Alexei's nice, decent people. Which is why you're invariably the first one to start flinging personal insults and infantile declarations of undying hatred.
 
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I think Kasab has become a victim of seeing everything through his political interests. I have a serious bone to pick with Corbyn's views of the world outside of UK, but it's completely and utterly absurd to say that Britain refused to vote Corbyn in because of his views on foreign policy re: Syria. After all the tories are allies with despotic arab monarchies in the middle east. The average British voter doesn't give a shit about that, and let me pre-empt tea by saying that if they do, that is always peripheral to their participation in what they perceive to be determining the needs of the country. It's absurd to separate the government from the people (the people are formed by the nation.)
 
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