#Everydaymilitarism abolish the armed forces NOW

[sufi]

or what?
why do we continue to fund these psychos, there is absolutely no reason why we need these expensive aggressive bastards in our advanced social configurations

one less obvious effect of the foreverwar on terror is how we have militarised our own countries - we now have trained and ptsded fighters idly loafing around our high streets and shopping malls looking for trouble, we could have abandoned them in the 20thC had we not chosen this tragic path

As me and @suspended thrashed out, noone is seriously considering mounting armed invasions in this day and age - they have been proved to be expensive follies, so there is no justification and also

British army ignored five fires before sparking Kenya inferno

The British army did not investigate five bush fires its soldiers sparked in Kenya weeks before they ignited an even larger inferno that destroyed thousands of acres of East African wildlife reserve and left one man dead, Declassified has found.

declassifieduk.org

 

[sufi]

the spread of small arms is an absolute disaster, the way that millions upon millions of guns have been shipped into the middle east and africa has been a crime against humanity, much of it carried out by armed forces of wealthy countries

 

[sufi]

the fancy expensive hardware is militarily ineffective in winning wars in the 21st C, and is a huge scam against civil society by the running dogs of the arms trade and our political classes

 

[sufi]

and furthermore, why should veterans automatically get accorded reverence and respect? it should be the conscientious objectors

 

[Clinamenic]

It would seem the posture of force suffices in many of the ways that the execution of force has proven to, i.e. deterrence. But the posture requires the force in reserves, otherwise it would be a bluff. But I am of the notion that there is a more or less global consensus that war is not a tenable exercise of power disputes any more, seeing how it would pose a major financial risk and jeopardize virtually every corner of our economic reality.

 

[Clinamenic]

the spread of small arms is an absolute disaster, the way that millions upon millions of guns have been shipped into the middle east and africa has been a crime against humanity, much of it carried out by armed forces of wealthy countries

Especially 3D printed guns without serial numbers, I gather.

 

[sufi]

plus they are filthy and they stink http://markcurtis.info/2021/06/24/revealed-mi5-and-mi6-are-flouting-environmental-legislation/

 

[sufi]

Especially 3D printed guns without serial numbers, I gather.

national armies are responsible for commissioning and dumping millions and millions of weapons of all shapes and sizes all over the world completely irresponsibly
https://www.amnesty.org.uk/how-isis-islamic-state-isil-got-its-weapons-iraq-syria & of course the US armed to the taliban from the 80's until ... now

 

[sus]

This question is only worth framing as a coordination problem. What is your plan to ensure every group of organized of peoples on Earth puts down their weapons in perpetuity?

 

[Clinamenic]

This question is only worth framing as a coordination problem. What is your plan to ensure every group of organized of peoples on Earth puts down their weapons in perpetuity?

Yeah short of a miraculous global summit of dialectical diplomacy, it would seem leverage is necessary for that kind of disarmament. And leverage isn’t limited to the promise of force, as we see with sanctions and economic warfare/negotiations.

 

[Clinamenic]

Really the most feasible approach to virtually total disarmament, to me, would be through a totalitarian cybernetic paternalism, confiscatory and all-surveilling, etc.

 

[sus]

Really the most feasible approach to virtually total disarmament, to me, would be through a totalitarian cybernetic paternalism, confiscatory and all-surveilling, etc.

Yes. Which is just another form of force and power.

 

[sus]

It would seem the posture of force suffices in many of the ways that the execution of force has proven to, i.e. deterrence. But the posture requires the force in reserves, otherwise it would be a bluff. But I am of the notion that there is a more or less global consensus that war is not a tenable exercise of power disputes any more, seeing how it would pose a major financial risk and jeopardize virtually every corner of our economic reality.

This is partially true, but wars are not always fought on economically rational premises.

 

[sufi]

This question is only worth framing as a coordination problem. What is your plan to ensure every group of organized of peoples on Earth puts down their weapons in perpetuity?

that is a cold war era dilemma

current tech and international relations makes coordination trivial
the problem is gigantic vested interests

 

[sufi]

anyway, abolishing the armed forces isnt even the same as disarmament

the armed forces and their military industrial networks are inherently toxic and anti-life

 

[sus]

current tech and international relations makes coordination trivial

Wrong again.

 

[sufi]

Wrong again.

what was i wrong about before?

 

[sufi]

World 'Better Place' 25 Years After Nuclear Test-ban Treaty

World 'better place' 25 years after nuclear test-ban treaty

www.ibtimes.com

for example, well coordinated and legally effective, apart from pariah states

 

[Clinamenic]

This is partially true, but wars are not always fought on economically rational premises.

Yeah rationality shouldn’t be assumed, I agree.

 

[sufi]