entertainment

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I guess, but just how perfect does a Democratic candidate have to be in order to win against Trump?

Trump, whatever else you can say about him, is certainly not "faceless." But this is starting to sound like an argument that many Americans will simply vote for whoever they find the most charismatic or entertaining, regardless of what they're actually saying or what their policies are. Which may even be true, I suppose.
Obviously the spectacle still refers back to the actual politics in some relation or other. But it's a machine that feeds on itself. In 2020 it took mass covid deaths to short cirtuit the machine and reassert actual material politics as the priveleged rhetoric. Good question how you actually play it against Trump. In some way or another you need to do what covid did. Takes good instincts. Sticking to the facts is no good on its own because truth can be easily disregarded if inconvenient.
 

wg-

hiatus
I feel like if you were at a party with Kamala you would hear that mad laugh and want to avoid her

Trump would be asleep in the corner

A victory for the Timothy Mellons of the world
 

line b

Well-known member
I'm not sure what it looks like in practice but the dems have got to figure out a way to rid themselves of the snooty up tight masturbatory liberal thing. Not that that's a groundbreaking take but it is interesting that they haven't made any attempt at all to do so when it's been clear for over a decade this image issue is of a different order than the traditional snooty liberal image that's always been attached to them
 

Mr. Tea

Let's Talk About Ceps
There's a lot of squirming going on over the fact it can't all be pinned on white guys too as tons of women and minorities voted for him.
There is a still a very, very strong bias towards the Dems/against the GOP among non-white voters - although admittedly this is much more pronounced in black voters than Hispanic ones, I think. But it's shocking how many women must have voted for him, true.

Edit: fuck me, he's a lot more popular among Latinos than I'd ever have guessed. Probably because he's the last person in the world who'd ever say or type "Latinx."

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yyaldrin

in je ogen waait de wind
Yeah, my main takeaway's how much of a bubble the Democrats and a load of their voters seem to exist in. So many comments flooding Reddit expressing shock and dismay at the fact she could lose at all and claiming the only explanation is that America hates women.

There's a lot of squirming going on over the fact it can't all be pinned on white guys too as tons of women and minorities voted for him.
and you know they're not gonna learn a thing from it....
 

yyaldrin

in je ogen waait de wind
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Mr. Tea

Let's Talk About Ceps
that the republicans are more pro-israel than the democrats. i mean, i guess harris or genocide joe didn't call the muslim world a "shithole" and they did not say they wanna turn gaza in a israeli tourist resort but that is in fact exactly how they have been treating the palestinians and what they have been supporting and executing in the last year.


This is admittedly a sample size of one, but one of my oldest and closest friends is Palestinian and a few months ago I asked him about the upcoming election and who he'd prefer to see win. He said "Anyone but Trump, I guess." So hardly a ringing endorsement of Biden/Harris/the Dems in general, but it was clear to him that Trump was worse.

I hear what you're saying about an emotive response against the current administration, but Israel would be doing exactly the same thing if Hamas had launched that attack last year while Trump or any other Republican was in charge. Even if you're going to say that the two parties are indistinguishable wrt their position on Israel (which isn't true, but let's pretend it is), it's not the only issue in the world, is it?
 

shakahislop

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I'm not sure what it looks like in practice but the dems have got to figure out a way to rid themselves of the snooty up tight masturbatory liberal thing. Not that that's a groundbreaking take but it is interesting that they haven't made any attempt at all to do so when it's been clear for over a decade this image issue is of a different order than the traditional snooty liberal image that's always been attached to them
part of the trump thing is a reaction against that obviously, the contempt that so many americans find themselves held in. that's been the only part of it that's resonated with me personally, kicking back against that
 

thirdform

pass the sick bucket
This is admittedly a sample size of one, but one of my oldest and closest friends is Palestinian and a few months ago I asked him about the upcoming election and who he'd prefer to see win. He said "Anyone but Trump, I guess." So hardly a ringing endorsement of Biden/Harris/the Dems in general, but it was clear to him that Trump was worse.

I hear what you're saying about an emotive response against the current administration, but Israel would be doing exactly the same thing if Hamas had launched that attack last year while Trump or any other Republican was in charge. Even if you're going to say that the two parties are indistinguishable wrt their position on Israel (which isn't true, but let's pretend it is), it's not the only issue in the world, is it?

of course, the anti-political approach has its limitations. trump may be a destabilising factor in American political life, and this might hurt Israel and NATO concurrently, but there is a danger of becoming far too nihilistic with this and overestimating the factor. How things will pan out wrt Israel has to be seen. Trump however cannot and will not be able to prevent disintegration domestically, which may be to the advantage of the palestinians in the long term, whilst things can and most probably will get worse in the short term. Trump of course would like to remain staunchly pro-Israel to the bitter end, and he will.
 

Slothrop

Tight but Polite
part of the trump thing is a reaction against that obviously, the contempt that so many americans find themselves held in. that's been the only part of it that's resonated with me personally, kicking back against that

And this is tricky because to anyone outside the bubble, voting for Trump looks completely fucking stupid. And the most natural argument to draw for is basically are you fucking serious, you wouldn't lend your car to this guy, why would you want him to be commander in chief? But it's hard to say that without reinforcing the contempt which plays into his appeal.
 

Clinamenic

Binary & Tweed
I'm not sure what it looks like in practice but the dems have got to figure out a way to rid themselves of the snooty up tight masturbatory liberal thing. Not that that's a groundbreaking take but it is interesting that they haven't made any attempt at all to do so when it's been clear for over a decade this image issue is of a different order than the traditional snooty liberal image that's always been attached to them
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Mr. Tea

Let's Talk About Ceps
And this is tricky because to anyone outside the bubble, voting for Trump looks completely fucking stupid. And the most natural argument to draw for is basically are you fucking serious, you wouldn't lend your car to this guy, why would you want him to be commander in chief? But it's hard to say that without reinforcing the contempt which plays into his appeal.
What's frustrating is that this consideration only ever goes in one direction. Republicans can call Democrats baby-eating paedo-satanic communists who hate America and would rather worship Osama bin Laden than Jesus, but Democrats mustn't say "These people are nuts", because then they're being Arrogant Liberal Elites and have only themselves to blame when they lose.

So Trump can say "I will cut taxes for billionaires and impoverish everyone else, set women's rights back a century, abolish democracy itself and might just start a war with China for shits and giggles", but OTOH Kamala Harris has a weird laugh, so no wonder she couldn't beat him, I mean who wants a president with a weird laugh?
 

Corpsey

bandz ahoy
I blame the American members of this forum, esp those who arrived within the last 5 years

Deportations now!
 

Corpsey

bandz ahoy
One thing I always like seeing in comments threads about trump/politics

A: TRUMP RULEZ! CRY TEARS LIB FAGS #MAGA
B: Keep your opinions to yourself, you clearly failed all your exams at school and are a cretin of the highest (or lowest) order
A: Ah how ironic. Precisely the sort of jejune response one might expect from a prating bourgeois blaggard such as thyself. Straw man, much?
 

Mr. Tea

Let's Talk About Ceps
One thing I always like seeing in comments threads about trump/politics

A: TRUMP RULEZ! CRY TEARS LIB FAGS #MAGA
B: Keep your opinions to yourself, you clearly failed all your exams at school and are a cretin of the highest (or lowest) order
A: Ah how ironic. Precisely the sort of jejune response one might expect from a prating bourgeois blaggard such as thyself. Straw man, much?
"Yikes"
 

mixed_biscuits

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It's not too much of a problem I've heard cos most of the rural Trump supporters can't actually read so as long as a Kamala sign just says Kamala - or anything really - ɓut doesn't have any kind of flag or logo etc that identifies it as a pro-Democrat ad it's perfectly safe.

In fact, once you get right out into the sticks you will find that many people - certainly one hundred percent of Trump supporters - never managed to learn how to speak so of course you can say whatever you llke with impunity.

Sure, if you drove through the entire state in some kínd of truck with a loudhailer shouting out pro-Harris slogans then there is a small risk that one of the Trumplodytes will catch on and may even be able, using one of their proto-dialects (these usually take the form of a disturbing mixture of primitive grunts, horrifying squeals and touching each other in a manner thst appears to outsiders as brutal sexual assault) to convey their thoughts to one of their daughterwives or possibly even one of their chieftains (who tend to be half-pig or some other farm animal as these malformed hhybrids (other thsn the weirdest ones which are humans mixed with, of aĺl things, biscuits) are invariably smarter thsn the humans who are now so inbred they have dispensed with sexual reproduction altogether - most new humans are "born" when someone loses a limb or other body pset in some kind of accident involving state of the art farming equipment that is just too complex - eg a hoe or a scythe - and the severed part contains as much of the brain as the other part (ie none) and is thus too stupid to die, with the upshot thet it wriggles and slides horrifyingly off as a fuĺly formed Trump voter - as long as it can be taught to form an X).

But even if that eventuality did occur there is little to worry about as they have yet to master walking upright, plus they will mosy likely be terrified of the magic horseless carriage anyway.
These people sound marginalised.
 

mixed_biscuits

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Sticking to the facts is no good on its own because truth can be easily disregarded if inconvenient.
This might have worked had the Democrats actually done this, but instead they doubled down on cut-and-shut misquotations, childish insults, and absurd doom-mongering.
 

mixed_biscuits

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This is admittedly a sample size of one, but one of my oldest and closest friends is Palestinian and a few months ago I asked him about the upcoming election and who he'd prefer to see win. He said "Anyone but Trump, I guess." So hardly a ringing endorsement of Biden/Harris/the Dems in general, but it was clear to him that Trump was worse.

I hear what you're saying about an emotive response against the current administration, but Israel would be doing exactly the same thing if Hamas had launched that attack last year while Trump or any other Republican was in charge. Even if you're going to say that the two parties are indistinguishable wrt their position on Israel (which isn't true, but let's pretend it is), it's not the only issue in the world, is it?
He said that because he still wanted to be your friend.
 
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