Americanisation of the English Right

[vershy versh]

Combination of Truss, Farage, GB News and TalkTV feels like a concerted effort to establish a sort of Fox News/Republican enclave over here. The two networks seem to have found their footing, Farage is in parliament and Truss refuses to go away, but remains to be seen whether it'll really take hold.

How do you see this panning out? An eccentric current within English politics or are we seeing the foundations of some Trump-esque monstrosity being laid?

 

[vershy versh]

 

[william_kent]

Combination of Truss, Farage, GB News and TalkTV feels like a concerted effort to establish a sort of Fox News/Republican enclave over here. The two networks seem to have found their footing, Farage is in parliament and Truss refuses to go away, but remains to be seen whether it'll really take hold.

How do you see this panning out? An eccentric current within English politics or are we seeing the foundations of some Trump-esque monstrosity being laid?

Farage wants to lick trump ass so hard,

he wants to be ambassador to USA so bad it is painful, just fucking see to Clacton man. WANKER,

 

[vershy versh]

Farage wants to lick trump ass so hard,

he wants to be ambassador to USA so bad it is painful, just fucking see to Clacton man. WANKER, just her an MP you're not a politician WANKER

 

[vershy versh]

“Nigel Farage briefed journalists in the HOC lobby after his humiliation at PMQs saying he didn’t intend to, “Hang around and be insulted by Starmer” One asked him if that meant he was going to Clacton. Farage told him to F-off.”

 

[Mr. Tea]

I'm reliably informed that both @mixed_biscuits and @Turns out HMG was right! own this groovetastic T-shirt:

 

[mixed_biscuits]

Farage wants to lick trump ass so hard,

he wants to be ambassador to USA so bad it is painful, just fucking see to Clacton man. WANKER,

Clacton is the Wild West, man. Sorting out Clacton is paradoxically harder than sorting out the whole of GB.

 

[mixed_biscuits]

It's beautiful in the sun, though.

 

[wg-]

It is interesting to see how the vocal online "right" in the UK have begun to involve themselves so deeply with exactly what the American right tell them is correct and regurgitate these points so neatly and in sync with everyone else. Without wanting to create nostalgia for your traditional English Tory the market and audience has changed dramatically and your "small c" Conservative is likely in decline now. I was absolutely amazed to see my area flip to Labour this time around but for all his issues, Starmer is much more akin to the traditional Tory than your modern Internet evangelist

However, the globalisation effects of the internet have in a lot of ways homogonised the talking points globally. I think that the synchronisation of the attack points across some platforms is incredibly easy now, it's a really impressive media strategy in a lot of ways and far eclipses anything the supposed Left can manage. But what we are really referring to there is more of a loose conglomerate of contrary opinions rather than the mechanism of the modern right I guess

 

[shakahislop]

forgetting about specifically the right, the extent to which US discourses are taken up in the UK seems more and more disastrous. the ideas come out of a specific context and are adapted to that. they aren't up to the task of describing reality when they're transposed halfway across the world

 

[Benny Bunter]

forgetting about specifically the right, the extent to which US discourses are taken up in the UK seems more and more disastrous. the ideas come out of a specific context and are adapted to that. they aren't up to the task of describing reality when they're transposed halfway across the world

This is true, I think. And it's not just the right - look at what happened with all the George Floyd, BLM taking the knee stuff a while back. Though I guess Labour dialled back on that a bit in the run up to the election, realising it wasn't very popular with voters (and that's probably the only reason they dialled back on it)

I think it's mainly to do with how dull British politicians are compared to the lurid spectacle of US politicians, and they don't have any ideas of their own. There just aren't any interesting personalities for people to latch on in the UK.

 

[Benny Bunter]

. Without wanting to create nostalgia for your traditional English Tory the market and audience has changed dramatically and your "small c" Conservative is likely in decline now.

They've been in decline since Blair got in, to the point there's almost none left. There's been hardly any difference between Labour and the Tories since then. The Cameron gov sealed it.

 

[wg-]

I'm less sure about the idea that there's "none left". Perhaps in parliament but out in the wild I would say it takes up a big portion of the over 40s population in the South-East; London excluded, of course.

 

[wg-]

forgetting about specifically the right, the extent to which US discourses are taken up in the UK seems more and more disastrous. the ideas come out of a specific context and are adapted to that. they aren't up to the task of describing reality when they're transposed halfway across the world

Yes, I find it quite sad tbh. To me the only genuine regional cultures left are tied around leisure or sports, but the Yanks are even trying to ruin the English football pyramid, along with the middle-East emirati ofc

 

[Benny Bunter]

Yeah, I meant those in power. There's probably still plenty of small C's out there in the wild, but they don't have anyone representing them.

 

[Benny Bunter]

Since at least Blair, the Conservatives aren't really conservative is what I meant.

 

[Benny Bunter]

The funniest and most tragic thing about the Americanisation of UK politics is that the US couldn't give two shits about Britain. The influence only goes one way because we're so insignificant nowadays.
I'd like to see us stop the pathetic pandering to Americans and go our own humble way.

 

[Murphy]

Americanisation has endless avenues. The English right includes the last vestiges of christianity further morphing into evangelical ministries in many areas. Your standard congregations are ghost realms by comparison, even if the architecture of archaic places of worship of all faiths can still induce awe

Attendances at happy clapper services = up, at least the few observed walking home on Sundays and week nights to/from work or taking the kids out. A decade ago these were practically nonexistent. Add more community welfare projects compared to your standard Huns, Tims, Methodists and older x-ian modes of jaysus faith - food banks, opening up centres around cold weather heating access, more youth work clout than the council too. Only Islamic and Hindu community projects come close here

Old and new waves of conservatism are drawn to Americanisation from both the working and middle classes, the middle class possibly more so as their position is socially liminal and thus more likely to be bitten from economic flux/decline. Both groups - and it’s still (just) a broad enough spectrum to describe such - see failure of immigration policies as key and compare home to the southern US border as deliberately instituted gerrymandering (or worse)

As the algorithm and post-colonial social change ripple out, unforeseen outcomes of “not the Brexit I voted for” are amplified by desolate town centres hollowed out by an accumulation of multiple decades of govt policy failure

Faith divides many on the English right, eg here Biscetti and HmmGuvBruv but by appearing to be able to work with any faith group, the right’s veneer is somehow maintained within its own peculiar range of in-groups. Likewise, apart from the sheer energy of a catholic services compared to evangelical equivalents, look at the circus around recent US govt appointments. Could you ever envisage such here? Not yet but .. give it time

 

[wg-]

Since at least Blair, the Conservatives aren't really conservative is what I meant.

Yes I get you. They've become the verbal arm of the donors, to me.

 

[Benny Bunter]

Yes I get you. They've become the verbal arm of the donors, to me.

Cameron openly called himself the heir to Blair, and that's what the Tory party has been ever since. They argue over details, but there's no fundamental difference between the two main parties. So there's a lot of frustrated and angry people out there with nowhere to go.