Do you have a Time-mind or are you a philosopher of the eye?

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vershy versh

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Piggybacking off the Lewis piece in the LRB a few of us have been discussing, where do you stand on this axis?

... what Lewis calls ‘the Time-mind’ or ‘the Time-view’. The adherents of this mind are very numerous and apparently diverse, among them Einstein, Darwin, Spengler, William James, as well as writers such as Gertrude Stein, Joyce and Proust, artistic schools such as naturalism and futurism... The principal villain however is Bergson... The charismatic metaphysics of Bergson, as Lewis must have remembered from his lectures, described human identity, at its most primal and non-intellectual, as the creature of a numinous time deeper than the mere succession of the clock... Lewis... understood Bergson to be advocating a rampant subjectivism, dissolving into pure consciousness objects that one might have otherwise naively assumed to exist independently of one’s experience of them. Repelled by Bergsonian flux, Lewis proposes as an alternative ‘a philosophy of the eye’, a celebration of ‘the concrete and radiant reality of the optic sense’... The appeal to ‘deadness’ is a rebuke to Bergson’s exalted concept of a universal evolutionary vitality which ‘makes of the whole series of the living one single immense wave flowing over matter’. Bergson ended Creative Evolution (1907) by encouraging the philosopher of the future to see ‘the material world melt back into a simple flux, a continuity of flowing, a becoming’. Lewis was not remotely attracted by the idea of melting into anything – ‘we should retain our objective hardness, and not be constantly melting and hotly overflowing’ – so he had a double complaint to make: not only does Bergsonian thought strip you of ‘the clearness of outline, the static beauty, of the things you commonly apprehend’ but it also takes away ‘the clearness of outline of your own individuality which apprehends them’. Bergson often writes with heady rapture about things interpenetrating and merging, and Time and Western Man is largely a statement of Lewis’s opposite preference, ‘them standing apart – the wind blowing between them, and the air circulating freely in and out of them’.​

I don't believe in total subjectivism, but find the Bergsonian view of things in flux convincing. I understand Lewis' view but it just doesn't feel correct to me. It feels wrong on a gut level, like looking at the special effects in a film and instinctively knowing they aren't real. I've sympathy for its deployment as a strategy, but it doesn't feel like a competing model on equal footing to the Bergsonian model. It feels like a tactic for dealing with the existence of what Bergson's describing rather than a counter narrative.
 

vershy versh

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sus

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There are processes of resistance and processes of invasion and processes of surrender. Temporary boundaries are erected and permeated and destroyed. It seems like this is just a question of whether you take a freeze-photo or keep the film rolling.
 

sus

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What happens to the rom com happy ending if you leave the tape on another two decades?

Are those white-toothed smiles on the altar erased by mascara streaks to follow, or are they immortal? What sort of dimension is Time?
 

sus

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All things end in heat death but you should still get out of bed tomorrow morning.

Archetypllay or at least in 21st century culture, preserving boundaries is associated with the masculine, and submission with femininity. See also therapy culture, openness, repression. Are you blocking transmission of interiority or are you unclogging the channels? There is a maturity in accepting that all walls eventually crumble. In being able to evolve new form.

I've been thinking lately about sex as suicide, symbiosis as suicide. You always lose such a part of yourself. But the deal is that if you give up this part of yourself, you get to keep the rest. Every generation you lose 50% of your DNA. Every generation you get to pass on 50% of your DNA. Are you a slave to language, or is language a tool that empowers you? These are all flipsides of the same coin. All powers limited; adaptation in one direction prevents adaptation in another.

Enlightenment, or invasion? Is this worm put in my brain by schoolteachers a parasite, or is it giving me powers? Lynn Margulis talks about how promiscuous bacteria are, how they're always swapping little strands of DNA, and you can call the strands viruses if you'd like, but they're also what allow the bacteria to rapidly evolve immunity to antibiotics.
 

sus

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Relevant excerpt from my notes:

He saw culture as arrayed on an axis between horizontal and vertical structure. Verticality—associated with McLuhan's hot media—displayed itself in top-down control and rule-based imperative. It was detached and boundaried; it was structure-preserving; it was an elite sensibility, and Catholic. Horizontality, meanwhile, was expressed in memetic transmission and social norms. Horizontal poets and philosophers like Bergson and Rimbaud advocated for a permeable and "cool" (McLuhan) enmeshment, an opening of the self up to the fluxes and flows of the world, a losing of the self in involvement—an easy way, he would note, to find yourself possessed by the devil. The discovery of complexity and emergence were ways for science to name and deal with the excess that rationalist, vertical frames necessarily exclude: Norbert Weiner himself had developed from the "hot" modeling of tic-tac-toe as solved game, to chess, which was computationally intractable to approach by any method other than the cool interaction of "learning games." All of culture had suffered a similar transition, positivism plunging down the rabbit hole with Alice, ceasing to understand its world.
 

vershy versh

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... preserving boundaries is associated with the masculine, and submission with femininity.

Depends whether you view it as a unidirectional thing where you're only ever being acted upon or whether you yourself are also an actor. You can quite easily posit the act of merging as an act of aggression, of penetration, like Carpenter's Thing. I think there's constant interplay and not just one thing washing over everything else.
 

sus

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Well, I think there are a handful of dynamics that are gendered

You're right it's a mix, there's a lot of female coded disgust reactions, which is all about preserving distinctions

conservative ideology a la Chestertons Fence is more "good walls make good neighbors" than progressive ideology. And there is obviously a gender divide at play here, even if it is very messy

Pregnancy is an alien invasion, this is obviously a gendered experience, to be hijacked this way. And arguably menstruation is pregnancy in miniature in this sense

Sex can be modeled as a merging but in modern western hetculture the man is obviously the aggressor who violates and refuses to be violated in turn, there is a directionality to violation
 

sus

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I have been to a lot of performances in the New York Art World that wanted to replace the phallus-tower ideology of Patriarchy with the womb-valley ideology of Matriarchy

Womb valleys are receptive and connective. Towers are armored and condescending.

Being open and receptive, being vulnerable—risking your own destruction, in order to merge with other spirits, which is arguably what a woman risks whenever she goes home with a guy
 

sus

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It's true that even Empire is altered by its colonies. You cannot conquer and administrate without being influenced by bottom-up flows. I guess I just mean to day that the dominator or aggressor or violator is the more powerful force and therefore sets all terms of merger. They are not open or vulnerable, rather they impose themselves on the submissive party.
 

Murphy

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sex is suicide, pregnancy is invasion?

hmmm

maybe attend a birth, it’s a process that, were you to witness such, could entirely change your world view permanently
 
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all time minds and philosophy of eyes merge when a birth gets going, all the way through to the appearance of an individual placenta and their universal form

placentas force your visual senses to attempt to take in their surreal colouring and texture, my first son I couldn’t believe the placenta had been even formed by a human - its architecture is like nothing else in the human body, its slight spiral shaping, how vital it is in-utero, how they all take the same form across approximately 100 billion births

these paragraphs made sense 5 mins ago
 

sus

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Pregnancy as invasion is old news, see Sigourney Weaver

Sex as Suicide, I can understand why that needs explaining.
 

vershy versh

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essential reading


"With print you substitute an ear
For an extra useless eye"
— The Fall, 'Printhead'

The discussion of media in this one chimes with a section of one of those Paglen articles I posted last night:

“The relationship between the individual and the environment is so extensive that it almost overstates the distinction between the two to speak of a relationship at all,” explains cultural neuroscientist Bruce Wexler.​
All of this has a profound implication. Media isn’t something external to us that we passively receive and actively interpret but is a fundamentally constitutive part of us. In a very literal sense, we are media.​
 
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