Bluesky, Mastodon

[ver$hy ver$h]

Anyone bothered with these enough to get a feel for them? I've had a snoop around the former without an account and it's very calm in comparison to Twitter, also noticed The Guardian started embedding posts from them instead of Twitter in some articles. That is kind of the feel I get from them at the moment. The Guardian, Ed Davey, lots of Reddity liberals. Weird how similar it is to Twitter too. I know they started within the company then went off to do their own thing once Musk entered the picture, but you'd have thought they'd be forced to make it somewhat different.

 

[Clinamenic]

Yeah I'm actually a big believer in protocol-based social media like this, because, when done properly, they can really enable a balance of content moderation and freedom of expression and association. I still use twitter/X a bit for professional reasons, but I'm much more on board with Bluesky (which uses AT Protocol) and Warpcast (which uses the Farcaster protocol).

I haven't really gotten into Mastodon, which uses the ActivityPub protocol I believe. They're all examples of peer-to-peer social infra, using open protocols (like email uses SMTP), i.e. nobody owns them like how X is owned.

I like these for many of the same reasons I like blockchain, but they don't have the cringe culture or perverse hyperfinancialization byproducts of blockchain.

 

[Clinamenic]

I actually think stuff like this is super important for the preservation of pluralist society, as a protection against left-wing or right-wing totalitarianism.

 

[Clinamenic]

I've been meaning to read this, which seems like a pretty comprehensive comparison of social protocols

 

[Clinamenic]

And actually one of the main projects I'm working on is about this:

GitHub - JournoDAO/seed-protocol-docs-content: The source content for any Seed Protocol docs site

The source content for any Seed Protocol docs site - JournoDAO/seed-protocol-docs-content

github.com

 

[Clinamenic]

Anyone bothered with these enough to get a feel for them? I've had a snoop around the former without an account and it's very calm in comparison to Twitter, also noticed The Guardian started embedding posts from them instead of Twitter in some articles. That is kind of the feel I get from them at the moment. The Guardian, Ed Davey, lots of Reddity liberals. Weird how similar it is to Twitter too. I know they started within the company then went off to do their own thing once Musk entered the picture, but you'd have thought they'd be forced to make it somewhat different.

Yeah in terms of user experience, its very twitter-like, but under the hood its radically different. Where twitter just owns all the content, and can delete posts and ban users, social protocols are open and (so far) exist beyond the scope of institutioal management, but institutions just manage interfaces/clients.

Like imagine if Twitter was just a feed-like viewport into a peer-to-peer distributed database of social content. Twitter would still be able to choose what content they surface onto their app, but they wouldn't actially control the data itself.

 

[Clinamenic]

These protocols are part of a larger trend of wanting people to actually own and control their own data, as opposed to the current paradigm, where online services/products are notionally free because really we sacrifice ownership of our data.

 

[sufi]

These protocols are part of a larger trend of wanting people to actually own and control their own data, as opposed to the current paradigm, where online services/products are notionally free because really we sacrifice ownership of our data.

I dont understand why there is no "app" to consolidate yr feeds and do cross posting.

I saw some "reader" apps released recently that are kind of like that,

The timeline apps are here, and they’re awesome

Finally, a better place to scroll.

www.theverge.com

but opposite to interoperability since they are not opened sourced and only work on apple

 

[Clinamenic]

I dont understand why there is no "app" to consolidate yr feeds and do cross posting.

I saw some "reader" apps released recently that are kind of like that,

The timeline apps are here, and they’re awesome

Finally, a better place to scroll.

www.theverge.com

but opposite to interoperability since they are not opened sourced and only work on apple

The only one I know of is yup.io, which lets you cross post to twitter, bluesky, farcaster and lens, but their UX was tricky and they may have even been deprecated, not sure.

 

[ver$hy ver$h]

Yeah I'm actually a big believer in protocol-based social media like this, because, when done properly, they can really enable a balance of content moderation and freedom of expression and association. I still use twitter/X a bit for professional reasons, but I'm much more on board with Bluesky (which uses AT Protocol) and Warpcast (which uses the Farcaster protocol).

I haven't really gotten into Mastodon, which uses the ActivityPub protocol I believe. They're all examples of peer-to-peer social infra, using open protocols (like email uses SMTP), i.e. nobody owns them like how X is owned.

I like these for many of the same reasons I like blockchain, but they don't have the cringe culture or perverse hyperfinancialization byproducts of blockchain.

There's an Insta sort of thing coming via Bluesky too.

Because Bluesky is built on an open protocol, it means just about anyone can create their own apps using the Bluesky social graph. And developer Sebastian Vogelsang is using that to build an app called Flashes — which will operate in a similar fashion to Instagram.​

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Flashes is actually just Bluesky with all the text-only posts filtered out. So anything that’s posted to the social network with an image or video will show up here. Similarly, anything you post on Flashes will also appear on Bluesky itself, with the option to share up to four pictures or 1 minute of video. This also means that Flashes will support Bluesky’s direct messaging and comment systems, feeding back into Bluesky proper.​

Flashes is a brand new Instagram alternative — and it’s basically Bluesky for images

You may not need to stick with Instagram for much longer

www.tomsguide.com

 

[ver$hy ver$h]

 

[Mr. Tea]

This could be BlueSky's "thos Beans" moment.

 

[wektor]

masto is nice, lots of computer music nerds posting on there, good communities, though some are a little exclusive (ie. invite-only instances)
lots of people I know came around with the last wave, and everyone's registered on the mastodon.social, so I guess that wouold be the biggest hub now
I really like how you can scroll feeds restricted to be server-wide, so if you're on a particular instance about, say, anarchism and farming, your feed will be filled with people you might not necessarily follow, but who are still talking about anarchism and farming-related topics

 

[ver$hy ver$h]

masto is nice, lots of computer music nerds posting on there,

sean_ae (@sean_ae@post.lurk.org)

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