What do we mean by 'Radical'?

ver$hy ver$h

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I hate the term. It often sounds like blagging. The kind of word you see deployed on the back of a dull book. I moaned on here a few years ago about some American publications persistently referring to bits of pop culture as "quietly radical". Does it carry any weight at all at this point? Seems more or less meaningless when it's stamped on basically anything; Dua Lipa called her last album Radical Optimism and offered an explanation which didn't seem any different from regular optimism.
 

ver$hy ver$h

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It's sort of in between "gnarly" and "bodacious", but one of The Dudes could probably give a more precise answer.
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ver$hy ver$h

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I moaned on here a few years ago about some American publications persistently referring to bits of pop culture as "quietly radical".

The Chills and Moods of Yukiko Motoya's Quietly Radical Stories

9 to 5 review – Dolly Parton's quietly radical office revenge satire

The quietly radical ending of Doctor Strange

The Quietly Radical Mister Rogers' Neighborhood

The Quietly Radical, 60-Year-Old Signs of Bed-Stuy

How the Quietly Radical ‘Black Panther’ Took Over Hollywood

The Great British Bake Off is quietly radical.

BTS have evolved into a quietly radical industry all their own

Trump’s Speech Was Quiet — And Quietly Radical

A Quietly Radical Tale of the Rise and Fall of Communist Russia in Eugene Vodolazkin’s “The Aviator”

Always Be My Maybe’ is sweetly and quietly radical

Review: Dead to Me Is a Quietly Radical Depiction of Grief’s Emotional Haze

Susan Choi's 'Trust Exercise' Is A Quietly Radical Novel Of The #MeToo Movement

The Quietly Radical ‘Togetherness’ Season 2

And so on.
 

line b

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I think it's very hard to be radical now because there's a safe little pocket for every sub group. It's very hard to make an ideological decision that is going to leave outside of a thriving community that can insulate you and fulfill all of your social needs
 

ver$hy ver$h

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I think it's very hard to be radical now because there's a safe little pocket for every sub group. It's very hard to make an ideological decision that is going to leave outside of a thriving community that can insulate you and fulfill all of your social needs

"Society is integral, before it ever becomes ruled as totalitarian. Its organization encompasses even those who feud against it, and normalizes their consciousness. Even intellectuals who have all the political arguments against bourgeois ideology handy, are subjected to a process of standardization which, whether in crassly contrasting content or through the readiness on their part to be comfortable, brings them closer to the prevailing Spirit [Geist], such that their standpoint objectively becomes always more arbitrary, dependent on flimsy preferences or their estimation of their own chances. What appears to them as subjectively radical, objectively belongs through and through to the compartment of a schema, reserved for them and their kind, so that radicalism is degraded to abstract prestige, the legitimation of those who know what today’s intellectuals should be for and against. The good things, for which they opt, have long since been acknowledged, their numbers accordingly limited, as fixed in the value-hierarchy as those in the student fraternities. While they denounce official kitsch, their sensibility is dependent, like obedient children, on nourishment already sought out in advance, on the cliches of hostility to cliches."​
 
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