rolling back to the future garage/post-dubstep/alt-funkstep/intelli-2step etc thread
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Interesting thing about Sully is that he is the only one of these nu-garage producers I've heard who really nails his drums - they're swingy but solid. The thing is, they sound great but essentially also sound like 'old' 2-step beats. So I'm not sure how much 'future' is in there - but who cares? He's a great producer.
I wonder if the tempo that some of these producers are writing at effects how good the 2step beats sound? Presumably some of it is close to dubstep speeds...
I almost think the 'future garage' thing is harmful to a lot of these producers since you inevitably are drawn to compare it with the original 2step/garage - and you find a lot of things missing. It's like when luka was talking about burial in the other thread - I can see where he's coming from and I even agree with what he said somewhat, but I also think it's a case of trying to find something in burial which isn't there, though it is is in his influences i.e. joy, happiness, fun party music.
jimitheexploder
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Sully really does nail his drums.
Bigging up the Keysound crew like, but Kowton nailed it too on his 12".
And they both did it at slower tempos, which I guess leaves a nice bit of space to get a groove going that has that ballance between unpradictable funk and propulsive drive.
Its a tough ballancing act no doubt.
EDIT!
Saying that 'Jackmans Rec' by Sully on Frijso Beats has a pretty swung garage beat and that pretty damn close to 140 and the flip isn't far off either. Sully's just a badman haha...
Bigging up the Keysound crew like, but Kowton nailed it too on his 12".
And they both did it at slower tempos, which I guess leaves a nice bit of space to get a groove going that has that ballance between unpradictable funk and propulsive drive.
Its a tough ballancing act no doubt.
EDIT!
Saying that 'Jackmans Rec' by Sully on Frijso Beats has a pretty swung garage beat and that pretty damn close to 140 and the flip isn't far off either. Sully's just a badman haha...
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Yeah I think what is quite noticeable about Sully is precisely that solidity that you mention - the drums really bang. I think a lot of this stuff really is post-Burial to the extent that the 2-steppy beats are deliberately light, flimsy even, presumably so as to maximise the music's delicate, atmospheric qualities (perhaps in reaction to the bam-bam-bosh-bosh of so much dubstep). Which is not what 2-step back in the day actually was like by and large (with some exceptions).
FairiesWearBoots
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Yes! thats totally my experience with some of this newer stuff, I like it it but I am looking for an updated 2-step sound
(like many, for me, it was primarily those fresh 2-step beats I was into)
and SOME of the new producers dont seem to focus on the drums
I want that solid 2-step beat because it makes me want to dance,but if I listen to some of these newer tracks in a mix, the beat is sometimes SO scattered that it gets lost in the synths & melodies and then the groove is gone
Not sure if that makes sense? I want El-B drums (but not always with his dark vibes, I want light & dark)??
(like many, for me, it was primarily those fresh 2-step beats I was into)
and SOME of the new producers dont seem to focus on the drums
I want that solid 2-step beat because it makes me want to dance,but if I listen to some of these newer tracks in a mix, the beat is sometimes SO scattered that it gets lost in the synths & melodies and then the groove is gone
Not sure if that makes sense? I want El-B drums (but not always with his dark vibes, I want light & dark)??
tempo is crucial.
the slower you are the more room there is to 'swing' your hats, ie find space to shuffle them off the grid and between the 16ths. At 140bpm it is possible but much harder to make it noticeable. sully works at 130-135 and Kowton well below 130, often as low as 120 (where you kinda need a 4x4 to get any kind of propulsion, rather than 2step). more info on swing and skip here.
That Funky tune with the Sonic Pinball samples Gemmy played has been stuck in my head since saturday-amazing track
The thread has me more confused then ever.
I've kind of always thought/felt that the genre classifications were more for Jurnos/NME to hype something for three weeks and move on and that we (the djs/producers/listners) didn't give a shit about if some was genre X or Q or whatever silly title someone came up with. This thread is quite evident that this isn't the case?
And I think it's not too big a leap to say that most of this stuff, if played to people outside our circles, would just be considered house music (or techno) all these classifications do is bring divisive attitudes when in reality we should just be putting them all together and creating what we want, and not by some dividing genre lines, but by what we actually like and enjoy. I thought that was the point?
I really don't care where anyone is from. But that's probably because I'm stuck in the middle of america and I kind of have to have that attitude. If I was from South London, I guess I'd have to claim my ends as some kind of point of reference if nothing more then the historical context.
All I got is Prince, Bob Dylan, and RSE. and i dont like any of that shit ; )
AGREED!
duke st dub is soooooo good! when that vocal fully kicks in with the bassline it's pretty damn near perfect imo.
I've kind of always thought/felt that the genre classifications were more for Jurnos/NME to hype something for three weeks and move on and that we (the djs/producers/listners) didn't give a shit about if some was genre X or Q or whatever silly title someone came up with. This thread is quite evident that this isn't the case?
And I think it's not too big a leap to say that most of this stuff, if played to people outside our circles, would just be considered house music (or techno) all these classifications do is bring divisive attitudes when in reality we should just be putting them all together and creating what we want, and not by some dividing genre lines, but by what we actually like and enjoy. I thought that was the point?
I really don't care where anyone is from. But that's probably because I'm stuck in the middle of america and I kind of have to have that attitude. If I was from South London, I guess I'd have to claim my ends as some kind of point of reference if nothing more then the historical context.
All I got is Prince, Bob Dylan, and RSE. and i dont like any of that shit ; )
AGREED!
duke st dub is soooooo good! when that vocal fully kicks in with the bassline it's pretty damn near perfect imo.
Tentative Andy
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Totally disagree with this, and think that peope need to move past that kind of attitude.
(You yourself sound like you are starting to, from the rest of your post, so that's cool).
Tentative Andy
I'm in the Meal Deal
Sully is great btw.
Not so madly keen on Kowton, but I think I need to listen to his stuff some more.
Not so madly keen on Kowton, but I think I need to listen to his stuff some more.
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ha!
seconded!
^ Are we talking about this mix?
http://www.dissensus.com/showthread...show-Rinse-Fm-archives-first-show-up-18-02-10
The whole thing of posting over in Events / Mixes etc. forum when you're self-promoting is getting a bit weird - people seem to get away with posting their own stuff when it's part of a "rolling" Music thread, and stuff posted over in Events, etc. gets lost it seems...
http://www.dissensus.com/showthread...show-Rinse-Fm-archives-first-show-up-18-02-10
The whole thing of posting over in Events / Mixes etc. forum when you're self-promoting is getting a bit weird - people seem to get away with posting their own stuff when it's part of a "rolling" Music thread, and stuff posted over in Events, etc. gets lost it seems...