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gumdrops

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when did we start getting chuggers in this country?
im sure i dont remember seeing them so much before the last ten years or so.
im starting to really hate them
all that happy smiley attitude they try and force on you when all you want is to get some shopping
i dont WANT to do a fucking questionaire!
i know its a hard job to do and ultimately its for a good cause but something about aggressively campaigning and wearing you down to donate seems a bit off (if probably effective/necessary - i mean, its worked on me before lol)
what fucks me off the most is that even when you ARE donating each month, they still call to try and get you to raise the amount
if i COULD increase the amount, i WOULD
 
Mr. Tea

Mr. Tea

Let's Talk About Ceps
The worst bit is that awful ingratiating little sideways dance they do as they're trying to catch your eye. It always seems kind of drama-school/'jazz hands'.

A mate of mine who's a biochemist has a great response to some of them, though - when they ask "Can you spare five minutes for cancer research?" he says "Well I've done about six years so far, how's that?". (The other option is the punchline to an 'Irish' joke: "Ah, to be sure, but I can't see us getting much done!")

The other annoying thing is when the first thing they say is that they're not after money...well, what exactly do you want then? It's not like I'm going to cure a disease or feed some starving kids by standing here chatting to you, is it?
 
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gumdrops

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id be interested to find out how much charities spend on these companies that chug/call people each year cos theyre not volunteers, theyre paid.
 
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baboon2004

Darned cockwombles.
@ Gumdrops: A couple of years ago, going rate was £9 an hour. Probably a little more now.

My strategy now (well, in theory) is to ask them whether they believe that whatever cause they're raising for should in fact not be subsidised by the state/taxes, and whether having to tout for money for cancer care/children/whatever, is not a bit wrong in principle? If they can make a coherent argument that it wouldn't/couldn't be funded by the state under any circumstances, then I'm having a conversation.
 
grizzleb

grizzleb

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baboon2004 said:
@ Gumdrops: A couple of years ago, going rate was £9 an hour. Probably a little more now.

My strategy now (well, in theory) is to ask them whether they believe that whatever cause they're raising for should in fact not be subsidised by the state/taxes, and whether having to tout for money for cancer care/children/whatever, is not a bit wrong in principle? If they can make a coherent argument that it wouldn't be funded by the state under any circumstances, then I'm having a conversation.
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Said this to a chugger once and she agreed, smiled and looked deeply into my eyes. I'm pretty sure she wasn't listening to what I was saying - "I hope this prick gives me some money".
 
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baboon2004

Darned cockwombles.
gumdrops said:
ultimately its for a good cause
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not necessarily. privatising core responsibilities to citizens (eg i used to work for a kids' hospice and government funding was nigh on nil for a while) is NOT a good thing. The dialogue around the 'third sector' needs to change dramatically - it's privatisation in many cases, and ties to donors are legitimising big business etc as an 'ethical' concern.

I think state funding and service autonomy can (or should ) co-exist.
 
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baboon2004

Darned cockwombles.
grizzleb said:
Said this to a chugger once and she agreed, smiled and looked deeply into my eyes. I'm pretty sure she wasn't listening to what I was saying - "I hope this prick gives me some money".
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good on you. she obviously was braindead, but it's always worth a try. Failing that, just tell her you used to be a chugger and you realised it wasn't morally sustainable.
 
grizzleb

grizzleb

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Yeah I've gotten into problems before by suggesting that wholehearted and thoughtless support of charity could be anything other than angelic - i.e falling out with oversensitive people who were desperate to feel like they were fucking saints. So I try to avoid direct attacks on any individuals morality whenever I get into such a debate now haha.

Anyway, I always try to have a good chug whenever/wherever I can. Is chugging slang for wanking down south too? Always cracks me up when I see 'chugging' in the newspapers. :D
 
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baboon2004

Darned cockwombles.
grizzleb said:
Yeah I've gotten into problems before by suggesting that wholehearted and thoughtless support of charity could be anything other than angelic - i.e falling out with oversensitive people who were desperate to feel like they were fucking saints. So I try to avoid direct attacks on any individuals morality whenever I get into such a debate now haha.

Anyway, I always try to have a good chug whenever/wherever I can. Is chugging slang for wanking down south too? Always cracks me up when I see 'chugging' in the newspapers. :D
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I think the intellectual/political paucity of the debate surrounding charities is shocking, so do get into those debates!

Never heard that before (cos i'm a southerner)
 
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BareBones

wheezy
i thought it was maybe about this guy

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nomadthethird

nomadthethird

more issues than Time mag
gumdrops said:
id be interested to find out how much charities spend on these companies that chug/call people each year cos theyre not volunteers, theyre paid.
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I did this for "Greenpeace" (that's what our shirts said-- but it was actually just for the Fund for Public Interest Research) one summer in Manhattan when I was teen. Back then you got paid $40/day plus a commission of $50 for every person you got to sign up for "membership." A good day would bring in about $200.

This took some actual skill, however, because membership required that the person give you their credit card number on the spot. So you had to really pretend you cared about the environment, or just guilt the soccer moms into giving you money because they felt sorry for you. There was a $15/month minimum, and you were supposed to tell them they could cancel anytime-- the problem was, the "cancellation number" was a dead line. So there was no way to really cancel a membership, unless you haggled with your credit card company and claimed theft.

I had a friend who became a top seller in the nation because she'd lie and tell the people it was a one-time donation. Most of us would tell people that cash donations were acceptable and just pocket it.

Long story short: don't give those people your money, or your credit card number.
 
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swears

preppy-kei
When I was younger, I was naive enough to think that these people were "chugging" for no fee just because they supported the charity/cause. I've heard some of them get 70% commision.
 
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zhao

there are no accidents
nomadthethird said:
I did this for "Greenpeace" (that's what our shirts said-- but it was actually just for the Fund for Public Interest Research) one summer in Manhattan when I was teen. Back then you got paid $40/day plus a commission of $50 for every person you got to sign up for "membership." A good day would bring in about $200.

This took some actual skill, however, because membership required that the person give you their credit card number on the spot. So you had to really pretend you cared about the environment, or just guilt the soccer moms into giving you money because they felt sorry for you. There was a $15/month minimum, and you were supposed to tell them they could cancel anytime-- the problem was, the "cancellation number" was a dead line. So there was no way to really cancel a membership, unless you haggled with your credit card company and claimed theft.

I had a friend who became a top seller in the nation because she'd lie and tell the people it was a one-time donation. Most of us would tell people that cash donations were acceptable and just pocket it.

Long story short: don't give those people your money, or your credit card number.
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mind: blown.
 
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baboon2004

Darned cockwombles.
nomadthethird said:
I did this for "Greenpeace" (that's what our shirts said-- but it was actually just for the Fund for Public Interest Research) one summer in Manhattan when I was teen. Back then you got paid $40/day plus a commission of $50 for every person you got to sign up for "membership." A good day would bring in about $200.

This took some actual skill, however, because membership required that the person give you their credit card number on the spot. So you had to really pretend you cared about the environment, or just guilt the soccer moms into giving you money because they felt sorry for you. There was a $15/month minimum, and you were supposed to tell them they could cancel anytime-- the problem was, the "cancellation number" was a dead line. So there was no way to really cancel a membership, unless you haggled with your credit card company and claimed theft.

I had a friend who became a top seller in the nation because she'd lie and tell the people it was a one-time donation. Most of us would tell people that cash donations were acceptable and just pocket it.

Long story short: don't give those people your money, or your credit card number.
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Wow - first time I've heard about a dead line being used. Not sure they'd get away with that in the UK, yet i generally percevie the US charity sector to be better run...
 
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alex

Do not read this.
don't know if they come under chuggers or not but las week when i went to get lunch from M&S, the same guy asked me 3 days in a row if I wanted to join talk talk, the forth day I said 'get the fuck away from me bruv, seriously you prick'
 
grizzleb

grizzleb

Well-known member
alex said:
don't know if they come under chuggers or not but las week when i went to get lunch from M&S, the same guy asked me 3 days in a row if I wanted to join talk talk, the forth day I said 'get the fuck away from me bruv, seriously you prick'
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Big man eh?
 
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