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labrat
07-05-2010, 06:57 PM
http://lunaratrium.blogspot.com/2010/02/craig-leon-visiting-arbitorthunderbolt.html


httphttp://lunaratrium.blogspot.com/2010/01/paul-nelson-vortex-optiman-systems-inc.html

VERY now, one would have thought.

stephenk
07-05-2010, 09:42 PM
nice thanks
he's definitely someone for whom there's a lot of past signifiers to be found but nobody can be bothered to say anything more than "klaus schulze"
so these are really welcome

Woebot
08-05-2010, 09:04 AM
http://lunaratrium.blogspot.com/2010/02/craig-leon-visiting-arbitorthunderbolt.html

i have that leon "nommos" and (ach) it's not a pretty thing. i'd *love* to love it.....but....

gonna check this one and the Paul Nelson (http://lunaratrium.blogspot.com/2010/01/paul-nelson-vortex-optiman-systems-inc.html) though

people talk about oneohtrix's "analogue synth collection" but actually a lot of it sounds like early digital synths....maybe i'm wrong.

i like this guy oneohtrix's style, and it's often guilelessly lovely, but sometimes i question the substance of this gutter ambient stuff.

skull kid
08-05-2010, 12:12 PM
i think his main setup is a juno 60 and msq100 sequencer, mixed down to a daw. apparently he also uses an electribe so maybe that's where you're hearing the digital sounds

so psyched to hear the new album

Woebot
08-05-2010, 12:27 PM
juno 60

must be the DCOs

grizzleb
08-05-2010, 03:43 PM
Will need to check out more - regarding substance, I find there's very little ambient music with much real depth for my money. Jan Jelinek, Alva Noto, and a few others but that's it. Anyone know any ambient cunts that aren't just a synth pad and a bit of reverb?

Dusty
08-05-2010, 04:21 PM
Deathprod, Koner?

grizzleb
08-05-2010, 04:23 PM
Deathprod is a good one, Koner too though I'm not that keen on some of it.

Dusty
08-05-2010, 04:29 PM
I'm going to have to go back through my ambient stuff now, see what i have that I've forgotten about. I feel a new thread coming on.

I have plenty of Namlook but that certainly is just a synth pad with a bit of reverb.

skull kid
08-05-2010, 04:34 PM
"Anyone know any ambient cunts that aren't just a synth pad and a bit of reverb?"

nope. none. you'd probably be best off sticking with whatever boring variant on dubstep is currently flavour of the month

grizzleb
08-05-2010, 04:45 PM
"Anyone know any ambient cunts that aren't just a synth pad and a bit of reverb?"

nope. none. you'd probably be best off sticking with whatever boring variant on dubstep is currently flavour of the monthCheers for that. I actually pointed out a couple of people who are doing interesting stuff with ambient that isn't as lazy as what I just outlined. The latest 'flavour of the month' - hahaha. Yeah, like all music shouldn't strive to be actually creative rather than relying on worn out tropes and techniques?

grizzleb
08-05-2010, 04:58 PM
I'm going to have to go back through my ambient stuff now, see what i have that I've forgotten about. I feel a new thread coming on.

I have plenty of Namlook but that certainly is just a synth pad with a bit of reverb.
Yeah there's defo some room for an ambient thread. There's loads of stuff I've got that I've forgotten about too.

Woebot
08-05-2010, 05:13 PM
i have that leon "nommos" and (ach) it's not a pretty thing. i'd *love* to love it.....but....

hey this is much better than "nommos"! thx.

skull kid
08-05-2010, 05:22 PM
the whole "just a dude playing playing a synth through a reverb pedal" thing is just such a shallow way of thinking about ambient, and music in general. like, next you're gonna tell me that "acid tracks" is just a drum machine and a bit of 303. and that world of echo is just some dude singing into a delay pedal. and let me guess -- your five year old could paint a picasso, right?

Kate Mossad
08-05-2010, 05:23 PM
Anyone know any ambient cunts that aren't just a synth pad and a bit of reverb?

:D

Emeralds. Not the latest one which is a bit too new agey for me, at least on first listen.

Dusty
08-05-2010, 05:33 PM
the whole "just a dude playing playing a synth through a reverb pedal" thing is just such a shallow way of thinking about ambient

I don't think he was being serious?

hopper
08-05-2010, 05:57 PM
stars of the lid are really great, worth checking out the dead texan side project as well

mms
08-05-2010, 06:06 PM
i have that leon "nommos" and (ach) it's not a pretty thing. i'd *love* to love it.....but....

gonna check this one and the Paul Nelson (http://lunaratrium.blogspot.com/2010/01/paul-nelson-vortex-optiman-systems-inc.html) though

people talk about oneohtrix's "analogue synth collection" but actually a lot of it sounds like early digital synths....maybe i'm wrong.

i like this guy oneohtrix's style, and it's often guilelessly lovely, but sometimes i question the substance of this gutter ambient stuff.

he plays junos mainly - 60's he puts them thru pedals echoplex etc, digital fx too.

stephenk
08-05-2010, 06:11 PM
people talk about oneohtrix's "analogue synth collection" but actually a lot of it sounds like early digital synths....maybe i'm wrong.

i like this guy oneohtrix's style, and it's often guilelessly lovely, but sometimes i question the substance of this gutter ambient stuff.

i always thought this as well; i'm no synth expert but i have a very budget 1990s groovebox and that crisp tone on a lot of his tracks isn't so far removed from it.

+ agree on the second point as well, as often as i play his more arpeggiated stuff there is this depressing emptiness to it. it's glossy but really skeletal and makes me uneasy where a lot of ambient is about comforting blankets.
i love when he's more subdued, "grief and repetition" and "behind the bank"...as well as his "lady in red" loop, which should go in that "late night city aesthetic" thread:

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polystyle desu
08-05-2010, 06:45 PM
"Anyone know any ambient cunts that aren't just a synth pad and a bit of reverb?"

nope. none. you'd probably be best off sticking with whatever boring variant on dubstep is currently flavour of the month

yes, hopefully joking because someone somewhere will begin using 'ambient cunts' and we'll be hearing it ad n. ;)

swears
08-05-2010, 07:30 PM
i always thought this as well; i'm no synth expert but i have a very budget 1990s groovebox and that crisp tone on a lot of his tracks isn't so far removed from it.

+ agree on the second point as well, as often as i play his more arpeggiated stuff there is this depressing emptiness to it. it's glossy but really skeletal and makes me uneasy where a lot of ambient is about comforting blankets.
i love when he's more subdued, "grief and repetition" and "behind the bank"...as well as his "lady in red" loop, which should go in that "late night city aesthetic" thread:

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Wow... sunsetcorp is Oneohtrix? I thought it was the guy from KGB tapes?

swears
08-05-2010, 07:38 PM
This is even better:

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stephenk
08-05-2010, 09:23 PM
i don't know if sunsetcorp is oneohtrix but that video/song is...it's from his "memory vague" dvd

mms
08-05-2010, 10:26 PM
i don't know if sunsetcorp is oneohtrix but that video/song is...it's from his "memory vague" dvd

its him and he also has a more pop group called games too.

stephenk
08-05-2010, 11:21 PM
yeah i like games, "everything is working" is cool

grizzleb
08-05-2010, 11:23 PM
I'm being toungue in cheek a bit - I've got alotta love for plenty of ambient/drone/etc stuff, and there's plenty really moving and interesting stuff. However there are plenty people who just churn out stereotypical, boring presetty rubishness, and in that regard it's very similar to most genres, for every 'acid tracks' there are a million boring ripoffs, that's just how it goes. Just bemoaning that really, more than anything else. Would love to hear more strong ambient stuff, like Jan Jelinek, Alva Noto, Deathprod, Tim Hecker, etc (who are all not far off 'a pad and some reverb' stylistically, but have taken some time to develop and make something satisfying with their ideas) but unfortunately most of the stuff I listen to, on boomkat or whatever is pretty weak. I don't get how what I'm saying is "such a shallow way of thinking about ambient, and music in general."

Dusty
09-05-2010, 01:12 AM
Have you explored Deupree's 12k label roster yet? One of the few labels where I just buy every release on sight without bothering to preview.

boo
09-05-2010, 09:22 PM
this is a personal fave, the pitch bend and edits on this a few of his are like chopped 'n screwed hardcore

++ coz this is a "for the OPN fans" thread this may be useful, specially for you labrat (i'm hosting the mcr date at saki bar :) >>>>>>



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-ZnSTglHn4

27 May 2010 20:00
@ FREEBUTT w/ Tomutonttu Brighton, ., UNITED KINGDOM
28 May 2010 20:00
@ Common Place w/ Tomutonttu, Neil Campbell/Michael Flower, The A Band Leeds, GB
29 May 2010 20:00
@ Arts School w/ Tomutonttu Glasgow, Scotland , GB
30 May 2010 20:00
@ SAKI BAR w/ Tomutonttu Manchester, ., UNITED KINGDOM
31 May 2010 20:00
@ CARGO w/ Tomutonttu, Goodiepal London, London and, GB
2 Jun 2010 20:00
@ La Geode w/ Manuel Gottsching (Villette Sonique Fest) Paris, FR

Woebot
10-05-2010, 07:59 AM
his "lady in red" loop

linked to that, but had no idea it was him too! doh!

[edit]

actually that is particularly successful because vacuity is its point.

labrat
10-05-2010, 09:39 AM
saki bars the one in rushholme yes?

recon i'll be there!

boo
10-05-2010, 10:46 PM
yup, that's the one, with the shisha bar outside.

should also add, the new album is an ace. the title track sounds well like fever ray

vimothy
11-05-2010, 09:50 AM
Might have to get to that as well.

The Skyramps album is good (Emeralds guitarist & OPN).

hopper
20-05-2010, 07:07 PM
clips of new emeralds album sound quality
http://boomkat.com/cds/306730-emeralds-does-it-look-like-i-m-here

stephenk
21-05-2010, 05:38 PM
new oneohtrix is pretty rad, it's got the warped vocal thing in a few places as exemplified here, which i was hoping he'd use more of

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swears
21-05-2010, 06:35 PM
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daddek
21-05-2010, 07:26 PM
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reminds me of the fake rusko vid that was made to discredit him.

could easily fall in love with the idea with oneohtrix' work, but i wish he would go further with the actual work of arrangement, key changes & such.. The stylistic concepts and musical gestures are great, but the raw listening experience isnt as quite engaging as I hope to be, I find myself filling the blanks, trying to be more into it than I really am. Despite the occasional intended vacuity as woebot put it, I think he often wants to be quite rawly emotive.. a little more compositional dexterity and he would nail it

swears
21-05-2010, 07:33 PM
Never said it was him ;)

swears
21-05-2010, 07:37 PM
reminds me of the fake rusko vid that was made to discredit him.

could easily fall in love with the idea with oneohtrix' work, but i wish he would go further with the actual work of arrangement, key changes & such.. The stylistic concepts and musical gestures are great, but the raw listening experience isnt as quite engaging as I hope to be, I find myself filling the blanks, trying to be more into it than I really am. Despite the occasional intended vacuity as woebot put it, I think he often wants to be quite rawly emotive.. a little more compositional dexterity and he would nail it

Thing is, some of his tracks are a bit slapdash... like you want them to suddenly go somewhere more interesting, but then they just loop forever or switch up into a phased MOR sample or something that sounds tacked on at the last minute. But now and again this works to his advantage. I mean, he's done enough stuff so that you can wade through it and decide for yourself.

Chris
22-05-2010, 12:56 AM
clips of new emeralds album sound quality
http://boomkat.com/cds/306730-emeralds-does-it-look-like-i-m-here

yeah the new Emeralds is nice... like cosmic music going online (and about time). bedroom transcendentalism.

Woebot
22-05-2010, 08:08 AM
a little more compositional dexterity and he would nail it

completely agree. same thing applies to the actress stuff.

Chris
28-05-2010, 10:31 PM
Rene Hell - Porcelain Opera

scarboi
29-05-2010, 04:09 AM
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For those who actually like the New Age side of things, there's some lovely musique concrete influenced stuff on this LP.

But its not worth tracking down unless you've got a spare $180. I guess you can pick it up on Itunes though.

labrat
15-06-2010, 12:12 PM
http://www.self-titledmag.com/home/2010/05/20/needle-exchange-020-an-exclusive-mix-by-oneohtrix-point-never/

polystyle desu
15-06-2010, 03:28 PM
for OPN listeners ...
http://www.xlr8r.com/news/2010/06/stream-new-oneohtrix-point-never