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MatthewH
07-09-2010, 04:47 PM
Inspired by the jungle/happy hardcore thread - a treasure trove of lost classics - I'm wondering if anybody has suggestions for good old hoovered-up breakbeat?

I'm fond of mentioning that this was my first vinyl purchase, at the tender age of 13:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gcCZo9jsKM

Sadly my knowledge of that sound stops pretty much there.

Just love that hoover sound, though. I'm sure if I'd been around for Tony de Vit's heyday I would have been that kid sneaking into Trade at age 15 or whatever.

MatthewH
07-09-2010, 06:23 PM
Now that's what I'm talking about.

wascal
07-09-2010, 06:55 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJutlQVktag

Hoovers + Rave breaks are 2 of my favourite things tbh

wascal
07-09-2010, 06:59 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJ8MtJ9h-x0

Especially stuff like this

wascal
07-09-2010, 07:01 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6q0JBYjot5g

Or a bit of this at +8

MatthewH
07-09-2010, 07:33 PM
Hey Bandshell, do you know what mix of Close Your Eyes that is above? The only one I can find that sounds like it has a stupid Here Comes The Sun sample splashed over it, which is way too cheesy for me.

wascal
07-09-2010, 07:41 PM
Pretty sure thats Acen - Close Your Eyes (Optikonfusion) Remix 1 on Production House. One of the first dance records I owned too, although it was pressed stupidly quiet on this compilation

http://s.dsimg.com/image/R-150-212893-1172007322.jpeg

;)

rubberdingyrapids
07-09-2010, 08:36 PM
love that energiser tune.

MatthewH
07-09-2010, 09:15 PM
That Energizer tune is the Jive Bunny and the Master Mixers of hoover.

HMGovt
07-09-2010, 09:42 PM
It was hoovers that signalled the start of the rave for me

Caught this on a BBC R1 in new djs we trust set back in June, almost drove off the motorway I was nodding so hard

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HMGovt
07-09-2010, 09:44 PM
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Looks like Soundcloud is falling over when embedded, but the links are fine. The hoover masterpiece on the one above is about 3m 51s in - track from SF called Sens-8 by Jupiter 6 - high pitched, warped hoovers/mentazms all over the place. Came out around the same time as Dominator I reckon. By 7 minutes, it enters a new world.

The rest of that mix has some stunning highlights on it too. What a time that was, a new genre of dance music every week.

labrat
07-09-2010, 10:05 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLvzKQ8KICg

HMGovt
07-09-2010, 10:16 PM
Has there ever been a Rising High/Caspar Pound thread on Dissensus? If not, why not? Brilliant and most forgotten.

allegiant
07-09-2010, 10:44 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nOPk5NpF_Y


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0fZwR9YQXU


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D66BTIzFDw&

wascal
08-09-2010, 12:21 AM
This one's amazing.

Wicked tune. By FSOL before they were FSOL, afaik.

m99188868
08-09-2010, 10:06 AM
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The Prologue remix on the b-side is even better, imo. It's less breakbeat-oriented though:

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Fundamental
08-09-2010, 04:46 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0i6bJzDPZM

A more modern take on breaks from MRK1 more reesey than hoovery but still needs sharing. This is like 2003 i think?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DO6Y9_5e7A

A modern take on the hoover, I'm sure it will make some of the purists rage... but still.

I am a proud owner of an original Roland Juno with the 'what the?' preset which was the original hoover sound, I have done a mod on the preset so it doesn't fall, maybe I can upload some waves if anyone is interested?

MatthewH
08-09-2010, 05:03 PM
Someone is definitely interested!

nochexxx
08-09-2010, 05:07 PM
[QUOTE=Fundamental;242674
I am a proud owner of an original Roland Juno with the 'what the?' preset which was the original hoover sound, I have done a mod on the preset so it doesn't fall, maybe I can upload some waves if anyone is interested?[/QUOTE]

i was hoping someone was going to address this, which Juno produces this iconic sound?

i'd like some wavs, cheers!

nochexxx
08-09-2010, 05:47 PM
after a spot of googling i found this.

History:
The 'hoover' was first used in the track 'Mentasm' by Second Phase (1991, R&S). 'Second Phase' was a collaboration between Joey Beltram and Mundo Muzique. The mentasm sound was taken directly from the Roland Alpha Juno-2, it's a factory preset on there called 'What the...!'. Then, according to beltram himself:

MatthewH
08-09-2010, 05:51 PM
That Mentasm sound is still the standard-bearer.

Put that sound over some super-chopped-up early jungle breaks and that's really all I need.

nomos
08-09-2010, 07:56 PM
bizzy

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nomos
08-09-2010, 08:16 PM
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mentasms on acid, no breaks

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Speedy J - Something For Your Mind (Exposure remix) - That other hoover sound that's less like a mentasm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysHc0vnaobE

nomos
08-09-2010, 08:19 PM
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:D (sorry, no breaks though)

nomos
08-09-2010, 08:21 PM
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wascal
08-09-2010, 08:27 PM
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Nearly posted Dyewitness 'Observing The Earth', possibly the hooveriest tune ever ;)

wise
08-09-2010, 09:56 PM
original hoover wavs please :D

wise
08-09-2010, 09:57 PM
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God that takes me back!
I had a React compilation with that on, when I were young :D

Fundamental
09-09-2010, 05:23 PM
alright I'll do a zip of hoovers and might as well do one of breakbeats. My production partner is a bit of a junglist and has gigabytes of the shit.

drilla
09-09-2010, 07:24 PM
That would be ace... then we should all make tracks and post them up for evisceration

Fundamental
09-09-2010, 07:57 PM
Ok here is some original samples of the 'whatthe?' preset on the juno, plus ones where I tweaked the sample to give a more sustained note. I also threw in some other rave hoover stabs I had on my HD.

DISSENUS HOOVERS:

http://www.sendspace.com/file/l9wsz6

And here is a collection of classic breaks, and a few others for good measure, the amens/funky drummer/apache break are all in there...

DISSENSUS BREAKBEATS:

http://www.sendspace.com/file/wx8a6h

Add me on twitter http://www.twitter.com/fundamental2012

http://www.fundamentalgarage.com

wise
09-09-2010, 08:05 PM
Thanks Fundamental, i'll post anything I make with them :D

MatthewH
09-09-2010, 11:25 PM
Nice! I'll do the same.

I hadn't seen the video for Bad Romance before and, tbh, I clicked on it to hear its hooveriness, then clicked through to find out who did the send-up. Turns out: no send up!

Kids these days!

nomos
10-09-2010, 12:28 AM
i love that video. cremaster rave. :eek:

thanks for the samples fundamental - very generous

mark ryder on the buttons...

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..

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nomos
10-09-2010, 01:02 AM
another non-mentasm hoover-up-the-dance tune..

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more tango (after 3m)

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Tentative Andy
12-09-2010, 04:47 PM
Ok here is some original samples of the 'whatthe?' preset on the juno, plus ones where I tweaked the sample to give a more sustained note. I also threw in some other rave hoover stabs I had on my HD.

DISSENUS HOOVERS:

http://www.sendspace.com/file/l9wsz6

And here is a collection of classic breaks, and a few others for good measure, the amens/funky drummer/apache break are all in there...

DISSENSUS BREAKBEATS:

http://www.sendspace.com/file/wx8a6h

Add me on twitter http://www.twitter.com/fundamental2012

http://www.fundamentalgarage.com

Legend, big thanks for this.

MatthewH
14-09-2010, 12:31 AM
Here's a little sketch using almost nothing but three samples from Fundamental. I did cheat a little by using an 808 kick, but I figured at least that would be a period-accurate way to cheat. It was fun doing the pseudo-UK funky beat with that old break.

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I must say that a) hoovers are fun! and b) all those old breaks are *grimy* - it's hard to get them to sit right in the mix.

Another thing this thread has taught me: hardly any of these tunes have anything over, like 10kHz. Probably most have nothing over 5kHz. It was not a very hi-fi era.

nomos
14-09-2010, 01:48 PM
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