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Bangpuss
30-09-2010, 09:16 AM
So not having enough time to search the internet/record shops for tracks and albums I may like, all my hip-hop is recommended by my friends. So far, they've been very helpful, but the reservoir is running dry, and I'd be interested to know what everyone here's into. Top of my hit parade:

Jedi Mind Tricks
Aesop Rock
Company Flow
Zion I / AmpLive
Atmosphere
MF DOOM

as well as Wu-Tang, NWA and other more mainstream crossovers. What's everyone here into?

matt b
30-09-2010, 09:47 AM
May I suggest the 'search' function?

Look top left.

I don't think anyone on here will have heard of the artists as underground as you mention, though.

slackk
30-09-2010, 10:10 AM
Always wondered when the term "underground hip hop" basically became a coverall term for mostly white rappers who don't talk about guns over slightly awkward beats that don't bang in the car. Oh and go and download some Odd Future Wolf Gang

Dr Awesome
30-09-2010, 11:05 AM
http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ksvoxjVwSV1qzxyl1o1_500.jpg

?

STN
30-09-2010, 11:24 AM
quite liked the recent Thavius Beck one. I can't bloody remember what it was called though. Also remember liking Mike Ladd's Welcome to the Afterfuture.

paolo
30-09-2010, 12:14 PM
Cannibal ox

connect_icut
30-09-2010, 04:15 PM
Oh this is ripe! Undie Rap! I can't think of a genre that is more deeply ensconced in The Black Hole of Cool (where things are too old to be hip but too new to be retro and just old enough to be embarrassing). Still, I truly believe that the best undie rap stuff was among the most thrilling and original music of the 00s and I'm only a little bit ashamed to admit that I still really like:

Antipop Consortium - Tragic Epilogue*
Antipop Consortium - Arrhythmia*
Atmosphere - Lucy/Ford
Boom Bip & Dose One - Circle
Buck 65 - Talkin' Honky Blues
Cannibal Ox - The Cold Vein
cLOUDDEAD - Ten
Company Flow - Funcrusher Plus*
Deep Puddle Dynamics - The Taste of Rain: Why Kneel?
Infesticons - Gun Hill Road
Mike Ladd - Welcome to the Afterfuture
Madvillain - Madvialliany*
MF Doom - Mm Food
Quasimoto - The Further Adventures of Lord Quas
Restiform Bodies - TV Loves You Back
Aesop Rock - Labor Days
Sole - Bottle of Humans*
Sonic Sum - The Sanity Annex*
Why? - Oaklandazulasylum*
v/a - Music for the Advancement of Hip-Hop

(*Personal favourites.)

pattycakes
30-09-2010, 05:05 PM
if you don't mind checking older stuff, kool keith is definitely worth your time if you dig funky offbeat stylez

his solo shit is mostly dud but that can be forgiven for bringing us ultramagnetic mcs, the cenobites and doctor octagon

you should check out godfather don and tim dog who appeard on lots of the above. godfather don was actually the other half of the cenobites

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p.s i don't think this is undie. just good non mainstream hiphop

connect_icut
30-09-2010, 05:08 PM
I wasn't being sarcastic, honest! I still genuinely love this stuff. I was just acknowledging that it's pretty uncool right now. But I think when people start to re-discover it in a few years' time, they'll find lots of gems. Don't sleep on that Sonic Sum album!

Recently, "Rainmen" by Deep Puddle Dynamics popped up on my iTunes and I was honestly blown away. Amazing when you just forget about the existence of a whole sub-genre you were totally in love with for a while.

continuum
30-09-2010, 05:23 PM
Antipop Consortium - Arrhythmia*


i was obsessed with this for a while

pattycakes
30-09-2010, 05:47 PM
I wasn't being sarcastic, honest! I still genuinely love this stuff. I was just acknowledging that it's pretty uncool right now. But I think when people start to re-discover it in a few years' time, they'll find lots of gems. Don't sleep on that Sonic Sum album!

i was referring to other posts in the thread. i didn't think yours sounded sarcy.

re: antipop, love the tracks what am i? and disorientation

always wondered if they did more along those lines?

connect_icut
30-09-2010, 06:08 PM
Oh man, as far as I'm concerned, everything on the first two APC albums is pure gold. But this is the number one jam for me:
http://bubblegumcage3.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/15-human-shield.mp3

Even the most recent album had its moments. I actually did a couple of (unofficial) remixes of a song from that one:
http://bubblegumcage3.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/02-apc-meets-fairport-convention-upcountry.mp3
http://bubblegumcage3.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/01-reflections-connect_icut-remix.mp3

Sorry for the shameless self promotion but I'm rather proud of those.

Immryr
01-10-2010, 02:05 PM
kool keiths solo stuff is way better than you listed. my favourites are:

Dr Dooom - First Come, First Served
Mathew
Sex Style

Lost Masters 1 and The Commi$$ioner 1 are amazing too.

daddek
01-10-2010, 03:10 PM
overly familiar with this sort of thing.. listened to more than I needed to as a teen. particularly the good life cafe inspired, spacey LA stuff - project blowed, living legends, mass men, cve etc. It was the first internet rap afaik.. thing is, new 'internet' rap like odd future & lil b fulfill a similar promise of spacey production and lyrics, but less backpacky baggage. def better beats. the recent LA low end theory / brainfeeder scene has a thin connection with it, via daddy kev.

I think connecticut is right that its still too early to listen to it objectively.. but nonetheless i have a feeling I couldve invested my attention more wisely. certainly my mates all thought it was shit.

*edit - on second thoughts, no*

from the wider 90s / early 00s indie hip hop stuff, the only music that I still actively listen to & engage with is what El-P produced, can ox, fan dam etc, - because it's fantastic, and still sounds like the future.

nochexxx
01-10-2010, 03:49 PM
Sensational

gumdrops
01-10-2010, 05:33 PM
get
el-p fantastic damage
necro - i need drugs
mf doom - operation doomsday
va - the fondle em best of thing
va - rawkus soundbombing 1 and 2
non phixion - whatever their first album was called, i cant remember

connect_icut
01-10-2010, 06:02 PM
I've been trying to get into Lil B but his style just doesn't appeal to me. I hate to be one of those bores who thinks that hip-hop died with the first Jay Z single but... well, I clearly am. Even though Lil B's style is very expansive and abstract, his flow and the beats are just too reminiscent of what I've hated about rap music over the last 15 years. Annoying because I kind of feel like he's an Important artist.

I've been listening to Restiform Bodies' TV Loves You Back a lot recently because I just found a used copy on vinyl. I can see a lot of people hating this: cliched critique of consumerism; misogyny masquerading as social commentary; generally sense of wackiness. But some of the tracks are just incredible - dense and intense but still with a poppy lightness of touch. I like it, anyway...

pattycakes
01-10-2010, 07:01 PM
kool keiths solo stuff is way better than you listed. my favourites are:

Dr Dooom - First Come, First Served
Mathew
Sex Style

Lost Masters 1 and The Commi$$ioner 1 are amazing too.

woah, first time i've ever heard someone saying his solo output is better than the rest of his stuff. each to their own eh? :D agreed on doctor dooom tho, really good. couldn't get down with matthew or sex style apart from a couple of tracks each. lost masters has a few more nice ones and i've yet to hear the commi$$ioner. anyway, the guy is a true underground don. and will remain so for ever and ever.

also, i always wondered how the el-p fans felt about bigg jus' post co-flo stuff ? namely - bigg jus - black mamba serums and nephlim modulation systems (with orko the sykotik alien) - woe to the o land whose king is a child

he's released a couple others but i think these two were his best. i could never really find much written about this stuff in the media or even on forums (esp compared to the attention el-p still gets). it's definitely on the conscious/political/backpack (possibly?) side of things but, the music itself was original enough to be worth hearing even if the lyrical content didn't float yer boat. futuristic as fuck, and i'd say that if you're going to do political, you might as well do it this way. shit's hardcore.

p.s. i've tried hard to get into el-p's solo stuff as well as cannibal ox and i dunno, i just can't. most of it leaves me cold.. :slanted:

daddek
01-10-2010, 07:56 PM
speaking for myself i have a lot of respect for big juss, black mumba serums got a good deal of walkman time from me, a few NMS tracks too. but his solo work had a very lo fi, demo-ish sound, production wise.. his attitude seemed more hermitic than el-p's too.. it certainly didn't make for an instantly rewarding experience, reflected in sales etc. but definitely I know ppl who hold him in v high regard.

With El-P for me it's always been about the production.. his raps give the picture more conceptual references, the sarky, paranoid attitude adds a lot of character, but in all honestly i mostly listen to the instrumentals. There's few producers who I rate as highly, in any genre.

thinking about indie art rap stuff - i never connected with anticon.. but dose one was actually a cool cat. I hope he's still creating.

matt b
01-10-2010, 08:17 PM
i never connected with anticon.. but dose one was actually a cool cat. I hope he's still creating.

Yeah, he just released some stuff with/based on works by Alan Moore.

Dug out Deep Puddle Dynamics, Them and Sonic Sum last night because of this thread and enjoyed them all.

Benny B
01-10-2010, 09:25 PM
I love Kool Keith, is he Undie then?

Best Kool Keith albums:

Dr Octagon
Dr Doooom (well, some of it anyway)
Matthew (Angry!)
Spank master
Sex Style
Black Elvis

(in no particular order)

Must admit to being slightly underwhelmed when I heard Critical Beatdown after hearing these first though.

RE: Undie Hip Hop, can't stand any of the Def Jux type stuff but I still like DJ shadow's Endtroducing a bit. I think El-P/Anticon is awful to listen to though. Cloudead were terrible!

matt b
01-10-2010, 10:21 PM
RE: Undie Hip Hop, can't stand any of the Def Jux type stuff but I still like DJ shadow's Endtroducing a bit. I think El-P/Anticon is awful to listen to though. Cloudead were terrible!

i'm far from an undie hip hop disciple, but there is plenty of stuff in the anticon/def jux catalogue that beats the sickening endtroducing rolling around in it's own pool of money can buy you anything obscure sampling lets please the john harris types piss.


If bangpuss responds to this thread, I might even drag my cynical mind into the light and recommend some other stuff, but at the moment my eyes are watering at the thought...

atoga
01-10-2010, 11:35 PM
to me, a lot of the best backpack rap was the futuristic stuff with mostly digital production, which is unfortunately overshadowed by all the dusty crates / true school emphasis (it's surely become one of the most conservative music genres):

Viktor Vaughn - Vaudeville Villain - great weird production and best MF Doom persona
Cannibal Ox
El-P - Fandam instrumentals - because i don't like El-P as a rapper
Thavius Beck
everything by Antipop / Airborn Audio / Sayyid / Priest

you
02-10-2010, 08:41 AM
always thought necro was a bit naff, like immortal technique.

Cannibal Ox
Quas
Madlib ( or pretty much anything off stones throw )
Antipop Consortium
Cloudead, Why, Odd Nostam, Dose One
Busdriver
Daedalus
DJ Vadim
Cornelius

On the futuristic tip, early dilated peoples ( the platform ) and also Dan the Automator's project Deltron 3030 were really good ( perhaps the latter being a much better LP )

crackerjack
02-10-2010, 09:58 AM
Juggaknots - Clear Blue Skies
Mr Lif - I Phantom and I Heard It Today
Scaramanga - 7 Eyes 7 Horns
Non Phixion - Future Is Now
Oh No's first (only?) album - the best non-Madlib/Doom rap album on Stones Throw and one I deeply regret selling every time I hear some.
all of Roots Manuva's albums - doesn't get the props he merits from undie fans, p'raps cos he rhymes in time and The Guardian likes him.

daddek
02-10-2010, 10:55 AM
that juggaknots was great. but to me stuff like that, mf doom, kool keith, is just good rap to me.

the 'undie' thing (def jux, anticon, rhymesayers, project blowed, antipop etc) is/was it's distinct, own shrinking, bubble-world unto itself. If we're talking good, non major label rap, there's a fair amount of good music to find. Fondle 'Em records, premiere's NY Reality Check 101 mixtape etc, some rawkus,.. not sure where i would start. If we're talking good but not-so commerically successful rap (irrespective of label & decade), the list is basically endless.

I wasted a good section of this morning revisiting the more neeky, hermetic undie rap i used listen to.. honestly I could sell / delete 90% of it, because Odd Future makes it sound like assmilk.

crackerjack
02-10-2010, 01:25 PM
the 'undie' thing (def jux, anticon, rhymesayers, project blowed, antipop etc) is/was it's distinct, own shrinking, bubble-world unto itself.

I agree, but I don't really like much of that stuff and I wanted to play too:)

Bangpuss
02-10-2010, 02:32 PM
I'm only a little bit ashamed to admit that I still really like:

I find it slightly tragic to see people feeling "ashamed" for liking something. If I took any notice of the picayune boasting of people who want people who know less than them to feel inferior, I' have slammed my head in a car door long ago. As would we all, since we learn more through plucking from the laurels of those who have more knowledge.

So people questioning someone's "indie cred" etc. ought to be shut in a hot oven for a long time.

Anyway, thanks for all the non-sarcastic suggestions. That's exactly what I was looking for. There's so much MF DOOM stuff out there, I've never known where to go beyond Madvillain, Danger Doom and his latest album.

I'll definitely check out Kool Keith and all the other older stuff people have recommended. Thanks, guys!

P.S. Nochexxx, I've heard your -- is it you? -- collaboration with Sensational. My mate played it to me, it's amazing. I'd be interested to hear anything else you've done. Also, what else has Mowgli done besides his '93 album? I'm really into that. It's the best UK hip-hop album I've heard since, err, I started listening to hip-hop...

connect_icut
02-10-2010, 05:43 PM
Sometimes, the shame is the best part ;]

fractal
02-10-2010, 07:56 PM
the term "underground" is a fallacy, imho

that being said, you can't beat 9th wonder in terms of beats

check Little Brother, Buckshot, Foreign Exchange, all of his remix albums, murs 3:16, the dream merchant series, etc...

good shtuff

Benny B
03-10-2010, 12:02 AM
s the sickening endtroducing rolling around in it's own pool of money can buy you anything obscure sampling lets please the john harris types piss.
..

This seems a bit mean and cynical. Did DJ shadow really have big pots of cash to pay people off for using their samples? Are you suggesting he just bought his way into the hip hop scene (even though no one in the US really gave a fuck about him anyway). Is using 'obscure' samples somehow unacceptable? I'm genuinely quite perplexed by your post, you could have just said that you thought the DJ shadow album was boring or something, that would have been fair enuff.

And forgive my ignorance but who the fuck is John Harris?

edit: I definitely dismissed anticon/def jux there quite unfairly tbh. I think Its the style of rapping that puts me off in general, but I'm sure there's plenty of stuff I haven't heard thats cool. I just hate all that clever clever Clouded-type stuff, and EL-P should never have been let near a microphone.

gumdrops
03-10-2010, 09:27 AM
lost interest in kool keith around the time of dr doom. was never that into kutmasta kurts production apart from a handful of songs and he seemed to only want to work with him but the sex style album was maybe the last thing of his i really liked (wanna be a star was great). still not heard that matthew album though i seem to remember people saying it was a good one. but the dr doom album is when i stopped giving a shit. the keep it real represent what single is worth finding/downloading too.

though he seems slightly knowing, i like lil b just cos he seems like a spaced out return to stuff like boogiemonsters and weird abstract rap.

CrowleyHead
03-10-2010, 07:41 PM
All this debate is wonderful, but to the man who said 9th Wonder is a good producer... Would you kindly stop taking crack?

I don't mean to be a belligerent dick about this, but there's this weird oxymoron that everyone looks over with 9th Wonder. Everyone makes him out to be this impressive beatsmith in the Pete Rock/Showbiz "Sample Digging Master Producer of 'THE REAL'"... When he only JUST stopped using the same Fruity Loops Drum Kit. Man, it is not THAT HARD to find drums and sample them.

That said, one day Myka 9 should really do a self-celebrating solo record where he does a record with ALL his progeny. I mean, Snoop once referenced Fellowship on a record. So imagine one track with him and the anticon art school... And then doing a song with DPG. It would be brilliant, in a patchy-as-fuck sort of way.

daddek
03-10-2010, 09:03 PM
re: myka's influence, its hard to say how much is myth isn't it. his fans have it that all fast triplet rapping can be directly traced back to him.. as can freestylng lol.
if his ability is so vast, it's a shame it hasn't manifested into an amazing record.
but he's definitely a long way from the average rapper http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTLNPSgVcuk

a myka 9 & bizzy bone album would be some cool shit

CrowleyHead
04-10-2010, 03:20 PM
Yeah, his fans tend to really act cultish. I mean, the dude basically got lost in his own 'craft', which is admirable enough. Shame he's never gotten it down locked. But at the same time, I think nearly 1/2 this thread's subjects are guys who bumped the hell out of "To Whom It May Concern..."

That's actually perfect. The two of them going into some lightspeed space gospel.

urbanite
04-10-2010, 08:52 PM
also, i always wondered how the el-p fans felt about bigg jus' post co-flo stuff ? namely - bigg jus - black mamba serums and nephlim modulation systems (with orko the sykotik alien) - woe to the o land whose king is a child


Really loved Black Mamba Serums, and the lo-fi aspect of production added the real charm to those records I think... not sure why no one ever really picked up on them as much as El-P's solo work... NMS was good as well, not as good as Black Mamba Serums though...

Dose One is still touring with Themselves and they put a really good show on...

Also one person who's not been mentioned yet (i think) is Busdriver, if you're into people with really fast/using voice as an instrument/tongue twister type flows :)

connect_icut
04-10-2010, 09:29 PM
I think Mr Len from Co Flow also had a solo album, too. Pity the Fool? As I remember, it was a showcase for a bunch of emcees and it wasn't bad at all.

Themselves do indeed put on an excellent live show and The No Music is one of the high-points of Anticon. There's also Subtle, which I believe is a more fleshed-out "rock band" version of Themselves. I've always avoided that one but who knows...

urbanite
04-10-2010, 10:11 PM
yeah didn't really pay too much attention to what Len was doing, remember giving it a quick listen and deciding that it was pretty sub par...

Subtle weren't much of a rock band really, more like a really funky version of Themselves with a live band, the live show was quite intense, really good. Pity they had that bus accident and one of the members got hurt real bad.

Not sure if this works for all of the indie/undie hip-hop, but the live shows often separated the good from the bad for me. Like say seeing Buck 65 / Busdriver or Sage Francis, really added to my appreciation of the records, for some like that Sonic Sum guy it just added to disappointment ;)

Need to listen to the Odd Future more (don't really see how their beats are that much better than the beats on say Arrythmia though), but recently mostly have been uninspired by most hip-hop/rap I hear, besides maybe the odd Lil Wayne (especially like the weirdo aspects and maybe some of the posturing).

Check out TTC if you don't mind some French in your rap :) Probably the best hip-hop that came out of Europe... besides maybe the infamous Taktlo$$ freestyles on Viva Zwei ;)

connect_icut
04-10-2010, 11:45 PM
Buck 65 is great live. Spends as much time telling stories as he does rhyming over beats. Thoroughly entertaining stories, too!

At their height, Antipop Consortium were absolutely mind-blowing live. Really tight but with lots of free-form bits. Saw them recently, minus Beans, at a thousand capacity venue, with a crowd of about 30 people. It was depressing.

urbanite
04-10-2010, 11:58 PM
yep, love Buck65's stories...

Anti-Pop's latest album wasn't what I expected from it, I guess the tensions between Beans and Priest/Sayyid are really still continuing, the live show I saw right after that album came out was pretty weak as well, although the crowd was hyped seeing them for the first time in Moscow.

When I saw them first (pre Arrythmia) that was easily one of the top 10 live shows I've seen...

michael
05-10-2010, 12:04 AM
Oh No's first (only?) album - the best non-Madlib/Doom rap album on Stones Throw and one I deeply regret selling every time I hear some.

He's done 3 others I know of. The other ones are all based on sampling themes, and much more instrumental.

Exodus Into Unheard Rhythms = Galt Dermott or whatever his name is, the guy who wrote the music for Hair and stuff
Dr No's Oxperiment = "occidental" music, e.g. Turkish, Greek, Lebanese
Dr No's Ethiopium = Ethiopian

It kind of depresses me that I know this, because I'm not very interested in any of his music - just got at least one very enthusiastic friend. In fact what am I doing in this thread?? :)

baboon2004
05-10-2010, 01:07 AM
Best Antipop thing was the record with Matthew Shipp - that worked pretty well.

Madlib wipes the floor with most of this stuff, imo. Soundbombing is still brilliant too though.

yaga
05-10-2010, 01:58 AM
Dilla's albums, Roc Marciano's Marcberg, everything by Black Milk.

CrowleyHead
05-10-2010, 08:22 PM
Sha Stimuli (who's I've heard is going to do a record with Black Milk. Rumors though...)

matt b
05-10-2010, 09:06 PM
This seems a bit mean and cynical. Did DJ shadow really have big pots of cash to pay people off for using their samples? Are you suggesting he just bought his way into the hip hop scene (even though no one in the US really gave a fuck about him anyway). Is using 'obscure' samples somehow unacceptable? I'm genuinely quite perplexed by your post, you could have just said that you thought the DJ shadow album was boring or something, that would have been fair enuff.

And forgive my ignorance but who the fuck is John Harris?

edit: I definitely dismissed anticon/def jux there quite unfairly tbh. I think Its the style of rapping that puts me off in general, but I'm sure there's plenty of stuff I haven't heard thats cool. I just hate all that clever clever Clouded-type stuff, and EL-P should never have been let near a microphone.

It was a little bit mean, yes, but I've never understood the veneration of Shadow and have a dislike of all that Mo Wax stood for. My comment was more a reaction to the dismissal of Anticon/Def Jux, who have some good records in their early catalogue which are much more worthy of any hip hop allocated time you have than Shadow.

Harris is the worst music journo in the world.

connect_icut
05-10-2010, 10:09 PM
My comment was more a reaction to the dismissal of Anticon/Def Jux, who have some good records in their early catalogue which are much more worthy of any hip hop allocated time you have than Shadow.

To these ears, early Anticon stuff like Sole's Bottle of Humans has dated far better than Entroducing.

baboon2004
05-10-2010, 10:46 PM
Dilla's albums, Roc Marciano's Marcberg, everything by Black Milk.

Black Milk is unbelievably good. Is it undie though?

hopper
05-10-2010, 11:39 PM
Thought first cLOUDDEAD album was amazing, can understand the clever clever criticism, find a lot of that kind of stuff very jarring. But there's something pretty timeless about the way it all interlinks together and floats from one place to the next in the way that I've never really heard from anything else. It's an endless tapestry for me - so hazy and imaginative. I did quite like ten, but for me it has none of the magic of the first album where Odd Nosdam is really running things. I love the haziness to the first album.

Boom Bip and Dose One had its moments as well, but is a pretty horrible listen for the most part as it has so many skits and annoying filler tracks. But when it got down to business it was pretty awesome. The cLOUDDEAD/Boom Bip & Dose One Peel Session is gold as well and well worth tracking down.

As far as Anticon goes - I think the Odd Nosdam albums were pretty cool, especially Level Live Wires

CrowleyHead
07-10-2010, 02:49 PM
On the subject of pro/anti-Shadow; best thing about that early Def Jux documentary for the el-P & Lif tour (Other than Cage looking like a bloated tank) was El's numerous jokes about Shadow. "RJ here is one of the biggest DJs in Hip-Hop. NEXT TO SHAAAADOW!!!!"

My main issue with Shadow is that it totally turned hip-hop production into this torrid thing where sampling got turned into this pseudo-intellectual artistic grandeur. There was also a severe abandonment of MCing. Shadow's whole take on hip-hop was never EXPLICITLY anti-Rapper, but the vibe was there. I think it was fair of him to try to make this balance of restoring power of the significance of the DJ/Producer. That said, I think the record's also really cheesy and over-the-top with it's 'cinematic' quality.

Even the anticon art-school take on MCing thing; it was a new take on MCing and for what it was worth, it helped prove what you could do under the guise of hip-hop. Especially since the guys who pioneered this stuff were all fucked up (FF couldn't hold it together, De La kept selling out faster than you could say "Native Tongues", etc.) When you make music that says "Okay, I'm going to completely remove this element of Hip-Hop, because it doesn't fit my vision", it's very easy to lose any sort of balance.

connect_icut
07-10-2010, 06:36 PM
How does everyone feel about Kevin "The Bug" Martin (http://bubblegumcage3.com/2010/10/07/post-rocktoberfest-kevin-martin-is-god-among-other-aliases/)'s work with undie hip-hop emcees on albums like Ice's Bad Blood and Techno Animal's The Brotherhood of the Bomb?

urbanite
07-10-2010, 07:18 PM
Def Jux (2000) didn't come into the picture till much later than Endtroducing (96) though, did it? I mean there were the two albums on Rawkus from Co-Flow and one of them was fully instrumental and that's about it really. Anticon (99) showed up a while later after Endtroducing as well.

In many ways my feeling at the time was that Endtroducing opened up a lot of people to dig deeper into hip-hop and find Co-Flow and Anticon.

Just checked with discogs and Co-Flow's first release was around 95, but then it'd be fair to say that not many knew about it until it got rereleased on Rawkus and even then it was hard to get it in Europe.

Then again I'm quite a fan of Shadow, at least back then it was pretty much the only thing in my cd walkman for months.

Apparently he got loads of flack for filling half an album with hyphy from his fans though, which is pretty sad, since I thought it was the best part of his latest stuff... too bad he's been touring , playing some half baked d'n'b remixes for his old tunes... that last show I've seen with him was a bit of a bummer...

pattycakes
07-10-2010, 07:46 PM
he should have left it at endtroducing.

people are scrutinising it too much. everything up to and including endtroducing was just an anonymous hiphop fanatic in his bedroom trying stuff out and managing to come up with something original and unique. after that he became a victim of his own success and fell off.

you can't blame him for trying, though. it just would have been more advisable to exercise a little bit more quality control.

connect_icut
07-10-2010, 08:45 PM
Just went out to get some lunch and noticed a Sonic Sum 12" in the dollar records outside the YWCA store. Haven't had a chance to hear it yet.

Edit: Listening now. It's called "Rocket" and it's great! Seriously, folks, don't sleep on this stuff. The solo album Rob Sonic did for Def Jux was crap but The Sanity Annex and this 12" are incredible.

Edit 2: Hang on... The cover says "From the forthcoming album Plaster Man". There was a second Sonic Sum album???? (Does a bit of Discogs research (http://www.discogs.com/artist/Sonic+Sum)...) There was a THIRD Sonic Sum album??????? Has anyone actually heard these?

Dr Awesome
08-10-2010, 12:20 AM
Ntrly "underground" compared to some of the names mentioned in this thread - but Jehst's first album - Return Of The Drifter - is well worth a listen. Clever lyrics and good production all-round.

CrowleyHead
08-10-2010, 03:55 AM
Jehst is the dude who was in Atom's Family who later appeared on the Vex'd album this year, right?

With The Bug, I've always enjoyed how it went from a more noisy, almost clunky alternative to boring 'Trip-Hop'/instrumental stuff of the day, unto it's current form. And the Techno Animal/Ice stuff gets love from me, both instrumentally and MC driven. Him and JK Broadrick really made excellent music.

pattycakes
08-10-2010, 03:57 AM
Edit: Listening now. It's called "Rocket" and it's great! Seriously, folks, don't sleep on this stuff.

yeah nice tip, that tune reminds me a bit of edan/justin warfield

tack #8 on plasterman uses the same sample as electric wizard used on "ivixor b / phase inducer" on come my fanatics

i wonder if he's into the wizard or just happened to find the same sample?

Dr Awesome
08-10-2010, 05:40 AM
Jehst is the dude who was in Atom's Family who later appeared on the Vex'd album this year, right?

Don't think so, but I'm probably not the right person to ask.

This was one of my picks off the album:

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Interestingly enough his most popular and upbeat track - People Under The Weather - isn't easily findable on youtube.

soul_pill
08-10-2010, 08:37 AM
Don't think so, but I'm probably not the right person to ask.

This was one of my picks off the album:

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Interestingly enough his most popular and upbeat track - People Under The Weather - isn't easily findable on youtube.

No that was Jestoneart (on the Vex'd album), this guy:

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Tony Flavourmore
08-10-2010, 12:40 PM
'the quest to find my inner ugliness is over, the secret to my failure is easier than being sober'


i am currently enjoying G.O.D by cage and tame one, also known as leak bros.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmzP_iQFlIM

CrowleyHead
08-10-2010, 12:58 PM
I'm just going to isolate myself from this whole thread, but...

Cage is the greatest MC on all of Def Jux. No question.

connect_icut
08-10-2010, 09:50 PM
I will not isolate myself from this thread. Actually, it's really re-ignited my interest in this stuff and I no longer feel even a trace of embarrassment about it. The real catalyst was finding that Sonic Sum 12" and it's nice to hear that at least one person on this forum has heard at least one of their later albums. I think I'll have to hunt those down myself.

The production on the first album and the 12" has the doomy atmosphere of a lot of undie rap but it also has the sense of space and funkiness you get with actual hip-hop. Similarly, while Robin Sonic's lyrics are dense and opaque, his cadence is pretty musical and I'm always left with the feeling that it all means something, even if I'm not sure exactly what.

blackpixie
20-10-2010, 06:30 PM
unfortunately underground hip hop and other genre names like art rock are automatically deemed for purchase by hipsters only. But i have always found that feeling guilty for listening to anything will keep you from the real gems. Anyways there is a pretty good group of guys from oakland doing good hip hop that is not conservative. Blog (http://www.ontaskfamily.com/) and a sick mixtape (http://www.ontaskfamily.com/2010/10/07/thee-ahyve-mixtape/#comments) from "ahyve."

Of course you have the hieroglyphics guys and Dr. Octagon.

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More bay area from main attrakionz, they were brought up in the hip hop 10 thread as well

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