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droid
29-11-2005, 10:41 AM
Since we're all ready at the back of the bus down here - is there any chance of further segregation? The 'events' posts here outnumber the mixes 10 - 1, and as a result worthy mixes (and no - not just my own! ;)) are rapidly dropping off the front page with only a few views.

Can we split it into 'events' and 'mixes and releases' forums? - and create a more viable environment for these (IMO) vital and altruistic contributions?

I dont want to spark another fruitless debate over this - its just a thought...

DJL
29-11-2005, 11:02 AM
I'd like to add my support for this

Eric
29-11-2005, 11:13 AM
yes, agree. the mixes are much more universally useful than the events, since they aren't tied to any geographical location, so it seems reasonable to separate them.

gdw
29-11-2005, 06:04 PM
got to agree with this. would be a really nice addition to the already indispensable dissensus.

hopefully a specific mixes forum would attract even more music...

tryptych
29-11-2005, 07:41 PM
Yep this gets my vote too. although i thought woebot didnt want to create anymore forums, so you might not get favourable response from the management

polystyle desu
30-11-2005, 12:05 AM
I agree on this too ,
after hearing quite a few very nice mixes here already ...

zhao
30-11-2005, 04:31 AM
sounds reasonable

Melchior
30-11-2005, 07:15 AM
I'm against it myself. We need fewer forums, not more. This doesn't get much traffic really and an extra forum wouldn't make more traffic.

droid
30-11-2005, 09:08 AM
I'm against it myself. We need fewer forums, not more. This doesn't get much traffic really and an extra forum wouldn't make more traffic.

I basically agree with you in principle, and I made that point a few months back. I was totally against this sub-forum to begin with - but - as its here, I think the best way forward is further segregation. The mixes here just get lost in a sea of events threads - not that theres anything wrong with those threads, but they are basically high frequency advertisements, and, as such, tend not to invite further disscusion - in fact Im not really sure why the 'mixes' got lumped in here with them in the first place to be honest...

Just to reiterate - Im not trying to stir the shit here... just a suggestion :cool:

dsp13
30-11-2005, 09:21 AM
I'd rather have an exclusive mix forum than an events one anyway... couldn't events just be in a sticky thread? either way i think a mix forum is good idea.

droid
01-12-2005, 02:44 PM
:o At spelling separate wrong in the title and not being able to edit it..

Its one of those words that i always misspell.. dunno why.. selective dislexiya perhaps? In fact, looking at the preview - I just did it again there... :mad:

Grievous Angel
01-12-2005, 03:22 PM
I'd like one too please.

john eden
01-12-2005, 03:31 PM
:o At spelling separate wrong in the title and not being able to edit it..

Its one of those words that i always misspell.. dunno why.. selective dislexiya perhaps? In fact, looking at the preview - I just did it again there... :mad:

Well I just changed it for you, cos I am nice.

At the end of the day, this is up to Matt and Matt alone, but here is my 2p's worth.

I can see the advantage of a mixes forum but frankly I hate the idea of having even more forums.

If half the people that downloaded mixes which were linked from here bothered to post one word replies on the threads then none of this would be an issue, because they would bubble up to the top of the forum.

Maybe another question to ask is, who (apart from organisers) actually gives a toss about ANY of the "events" listings. I can see the point of discussions about Extropia, DMZ, FWD, etc, but it looks to me like most of the events which are listed are of no interest to anyone.

DJL
01-12-2005, 03:52 PM
They're of interest to me in terms of finding out what events are happening!

john eden
01-12-2005, 03:56 PM
They're of interest to me in terms of finding out what events are happening!

Even when they are hundreds of miles away from Paranoiaville, DJL? :)

Fair enough if they are of use to people - I'm too old decrepid to go out anyway...

DJL
01-12-2005, 05:51 PM
Even when they are hundreds of miles away from Paranoiaville, DJL? :)


Lol. I'm changing that now. Anyone who wants to visit Pville should smoke skunk everyday all day for a serious amount of time while getting obsessed with conspiracys!!! :D

dHarry
04-12-2005, 10:27 PM
Great idea! I tend not to check the E, R & M threads for a while, and then wonder where all the mixes have gone :confused: Mixes could/should be a sticky thread in Music, or have their own forum... they never belonged with the infamous G***e Spam.

john eden
05-12-2005, 08:25 AM
i've moved this to Music so more people will contribute. It just seemed to be rattling around a bit down in mixes/events.

Woebot
05-12-2005, 08:37 AM
I can see the advantage of a mixes forum but frankly I hate the idea of having even more forums.

Yeah I'm with this I'm afraid. Just for simplicity's sake. I mean, how difficult is it really to cock a snook at the Events/Realeases/Mixes forum and hook out a mix?

What is *really* needed is more people starting threads! Lol.

(msg to Jon- could this thread go in the Misc forum? Just a thought.....feel free to ignore me)

sufi
05-12-2005, 08:42 AM
i've moved this to Music so more people will contribute. It just seemed to be rattling around a bit down in mixes/events.
<-early signs of compulsive modding behaviour??!! ;)

totally agree with you on all counts J!
i think one more forum would dilute the content too far, couldnt bear to lose nature (almost time to revive the fush thread actually) & i think politix & thought are not quite mergable....

&... heartily agreeing that anyone who downloads a mix should be most strongly encouraged to leave a comment, even if only a thx, otherwise they should feel like a lurking leech....ok

john eden
05-12-2005, 09:06 AM
(msg to Jon- could this thread go in the Misc forum? Just a thought.....feel free to ignore me)

Woo! More modding buttons to press! :cool:

Yeah, actually I thought it should have gone in misc immediately after I moved it. Ooops.

k-punk
05-12-2005, 10:32 AM
Didn't some of the people now calling for a separate Mixes forum object to the idea of a separate Events/ Mixes forum in the first place on the grounds that there was no problem with this material being in the Music forum? Because it definitely did not - in no way - clog things up. Are they now accepting that many events announcements are spam? :)

A further point is that it is a shame that the board is so dominated by Music. (Contrary to HM Govt's snarky observation above, it is the LACK of posts on Badiou etc that is the problem atm). A further Mixes forum would mean, in effect, three Music fora - far too many.

jenks
05-12-2005, 11:13 AM
agree with kpunk on this one -

the music heavy nature of this board seems to be having its effects on the lit etc forum where traffic can be mighty slow compared to music (just check out the views, let alone actual replies)

- ok it could be argued that this reflects what people are interested in but we suffered the merging of the arts into a single forum and the expansion of mixes into a discrete thread seems a forum too far

droid
05-12-2005, 11:27 AM
Didn't some of the people now calling for a separate Mixes forum object to the idea of a separate Events/ Mixes forum in the first place on the grounds that there was no problem with this material being in the Music forum?

Assumming yer referring to me there with that dig - and as I mentioned upthread:



I was totally against this sub-forum to begin with - but - as its here, I think the best way forward is further segregation. The mixes here just get lost in a sea of events threads


This is the next logical response to what (I consider) to be a non-ideal situation which I opposed the development of in the first place.


Because it definitely did not - in no way - clog things up. Are they now accepting that many events announcements are spam? :)

I was originally objecting to the mixes being lumped in with so called 'spam'. I dont believe I ever claimed anything on behalf of either the 'events' or 'grime' variety. As it stands at the moment, the 'Event/Mixes' forum has basically become a handy place to spam events - and as a result, the amount of 'events spam' has multiplied.

As for all the talk of 'clogging things up' - clog what up? This place is half dead at the mo, and ironically enough, the most consistently active threads are the grime threads - which, despite being the original target of the spam purges, have escaped any kind of censure and remain up on Music...


A further Mixes forum would mean, in effect, three Music fora - far too many.

Hang on - werent you the person who claimed that 'mixes werent music', and should therefore be moved last time round? :D


Yeah I'm with this I'm afraid. Just for simplicity's sake. I mean, how difficult is it really to cock a snook at the Events/Realeases/Mixes forum and hook out a mix?

I agree its easy to find a mix there if you know its there, but, if you call something spam, itll be treated like spam - and the end result is that no one comments on the mixes, and they vanish in a slew of 0 reply events posts..

But - Thats cool. Thanks for considering it anyway... :cool:

nomos
05-12-2005, 01:16 PM
I wouldn't mind it but I see the point in not doing it too. I actually never look in the 'everything else' forum because it's so cluttered with event promotion. I'm pretty sure I'm missing good mixes though.

It was nice a while back when regular Dissensusers would post a mix that they'd worked on lovingly (e.g. 'Lyricmaker') and we'd chat about them. Same with radio events like 'Londonunderlondon.'

Not sure what to do about it and I don't want to debate it like last time. That was depressing.

k-punk
05-12-2005, 01:35 PM
As for all the talk of 'clogging things up' - clog what up? This place is half dead at the mo, and ironically enough, the most consistently active threads are the grime threads - which, despite being the original target of the spam purges, have escaped any kind of censure and remain up on Music...

The 'too many grime threads' issue was separate from the grime spam issue... The too many issue would be resolved by less threads, not moving grime into another forum... The general deadness of the board atm is not unrelated to the preponderance of grime threads of course...


Hang on - werent you the person who claimed that 'mixes werent music', and should therefore be moved last time round? :D

Well I argued that they were not leading to any interesting discussion... but one easily ignorable forum is a different matter to a proliferation of such zero-discussion zones...

nomos
05-12-2005, 01:42 PM
Didn't some of the people now calling for a separate Mixes forum object to the idea of a separate Events/ Mixes forum in the first place on the grounds that there was no problem with this material being in the Music forum? Because it definitely did not - in no way - clog things up. Are they now accepting that many events announcements are spam? :)

I might be guilty here, but I've never liked the event announcements. They're either about things far away that another board somewhere else probably caters to, or they're for London meet-ups that no one else cares about and a couple of phone calls could have sorted out. I say ghettoize announcements in a sticky in E, R & M. Maybe ghettoize radio rips too. Let the mixes breathe.

Pehaps there could be a 'Featured Mixes' thread (not sticky) in Music that only moderators could post to for the sorts of things I mentioned above. That might be trouble though.

droid
05-12-2005, 03:38 PM
I say ghettoize announcements in a sticky in E, R & M. Maybe ghettoize radio rips too. Let the mixes breathe.

Pehaps there could be a 'Featured Mixes' thread (not sticky) in Music that only moderators could post to for the sorts of things I mentioned above. That might be trouble though.

Ah - Ce la vie. Its not really worth the grief...

After all - theres plenty of other places where good mixes are welcomed, so I guess the best thing to do isnt to harp on about it here - but just post them there instead... :cool:

dsp13
05-12-2005, 05:07 PM
come on droid... keep posting yr mixes here... they are appreciated (allthough I too have been guilty of the no comment scenario).

can you think of a good keyword we could put in the title of mix posts so it would be easier to search for them without getting 1000 music posts with the word mix in them popping up? like maybe djmix as one word or something more imaginative.

good idea? bad idea?

probably the latter but what do you think?

Diggedy Derek
05-12-2005, 05:57 PM
I personally don't think a new forum is really needed; personally, I check through the mixes quite a lot, and find loads of good stuff there. People with patience should have patience finding their way to the mixes surely- it's not that complicated.

sufi
05-12-2005, 08:46 PM
might it be possible and/or desirable to makes downloads of mixes members only?
pls discuss :)

maybe should we sticky mixes on request ?

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john eden
06-12-2005, 09:37 AM
might it be possible and/or desirable to makes downloads of mixes members only?
pls discuss :)

maybe should we sticky mixes on request ?

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Stickying mixes on request gets you into a whole world of trouble.

I.e. yes we can sticky mixes we like, but as moderators that gets you into accusations of cronyism. I certainly don't have time to listen to all the mixes on here even if I wanted to. Plus I tend to favour mixes by people I know anyway! :D

Dunno how you would make downloads members only? You could make the whole events/mixes forum viewable by members only I think?

sufi
06-12-2005, 10:59 AM
I.e. yes we can sticky mixes we like, but as moderators that gets you into accusations of cronyism. I certainly don't have time to listen to all the mixes on here even if I wanted to. Plus I tend to favour mixes by people I know anyway! yeah
i thought about that
i thought we could sticky the most recent 5 or 10 mixes (on request by the poster, i spose), removing 1 each time we add a new one, just to keep em at the top of the page...
still, much better if they stay up there just by virtue of people posting thanks & praise for the DL


Dunno how you would make downloads members only? You could make the whole events/mixes forum viewable by members only I think?i been frequenting a couple of arabic forums where they have systems for this:
1 site has mp3 downloads that are only visible to registered users. they are uploaded onto the site as attachments tho, & there's no controls over hotlinks (http://demna.com), i doubt dissensus wants 100s of megs of attachments tho...

then this site is more controlled still (http://uae4mp3.com): threads are only visible to members, then a lot of exclusive tracks are only available if you add a reply to the thread...
goodness knows how all the techy bits of uae4mp3/sout imaraat work, but if they can do it........
just some thoughts like.....

droid
07-12-2005, 07:22 PM
Good suggestions Sufi - but i think a members only section would simply limit the amount of feedback even more. Im happy to leave things as is. I dont like the fact that mixes are treated like spam around here, and DJs by extension, purveyors of spam. There are people here doing some very nice work, and Ive found the mixes on Dissensus to be of a generally higher scope and quality to be found elsewhere...

But hey - thats life - theres more important things to be worrying about :)


After all - theres plenty of other places where good mixes are welcomed, so I guess the best thing to do isnt to harp on about it here - but just post them there instead...

That came out wayyy huffier than I intended. Yis wont see the back of me that easily! :rolleyes:

Woebot
08-12-2005, 08:18 AM
That came out wayyy huffier than I intended. Yis wont see the back of me that easily! :rolleyes:

I hope not droid. your Dancehall mix went down a treat.