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luka
11-02-2006, 01:22 PM
i'm a bit pissed off cos i've just found out oliver craner (http://worldwarfour.blogspot.com) is in the employ of a rather noxious think tank paid to disseminate neo-con propaganda in the uk. obviously i've heard about that sort of thing but you don't expect someone you know to be involved in it. it makes my skin crawl. that whole new way of marketing things and disseminating ideas and stuff, in that covert, dishinest way is terrifying.

k-punk
11-02-2006, 03:11 PM
This is a joke, of course..... ?

(????)

luka
11-02-2006, 04:55 PM
read his blog, then tell me you don't beleive it. its toxic stuff.

droid
11-02-2006, 05:20 PM
:D That would make a lot of sense! Is your source credible?

His blog doesnt seem any more toxic than those of his fellow travellers though. Monomaniacal on the topic of Iran of course - but otherwise your standard stuff...

k-punk
11-02-2006, 10:54 PM
His blog is not evidence one way or another, he's been beating those same drums for years now (though scanning it, you do have to wonder: do white western people ever do anything wrong, besides saying anything in favour of the ArabianMuslimScourge, I mean?)

droid
12-02-2006, 11:41 AM
His blog is not evidence one way or another, he's been beating those same drums for years now (though scanning it, you do have to wonder: do white western people ever do anything wrong, besides saying anything in favour of the ArabianMuslimScourge, I mean?)

Of course not. Everyone knows that the only crimes worth noticing are those of 'our' enemies. Craner has internalised this dogma to the point of psychosis...

luka
12-02-2006, 06:50 PM
its called the ravelstein foundation, after the saul bellow book, based on allan bloom. my source is relaible. it comes through my sisters jesus college connections.

k-punk
12-02-2006, 07:58 PM
Surely if he really believes all that stuff, there's no additional problem with his being in the pay of anyone. If he doesn't believe it and he's diseminating it at solely at someone else's behest, well...

HMGovt
12-02-2006, 08:03 PM
its called the ravelstein foundation, after the saul bellow book, based on allan bloom. my source is relaible. it comes through my sisters jesus college connections.

Jesus College Oxford or Jesus College Cambridge? What special connections does going to either of those institutions bring?

maximizer
13-02-2006, 12:53 AM
spam spam spam

droid
13-02-2006, 10:51 AM
spam spam spam

lol! Big up yerself Sufi...

scottdisco
13-02-2006, 11:36 AM
Luka:
it comes through my sisters jesus college connections

is this the same sister that may or may not be in the employ of Ann Clwyd, Luka?

how do we know you're not another neo-con faction wanting to foment intellectual 'civil war'?

eh?

eh?

luka
13-02-2006, 06:28 PM
alright, its a joke is it? tell yourselves that if it makes you feel better.

droid
13-02-2006, 06:42 PM
alright, its a joke is it? tell yourselves that if it makes you feel better.

Strangely enough - this whole thing does make me feel better. Knowing that theres a possibility that Craner's obsessions are motivated by self interest rather than his own personal thought processes is oddly comforting... plus theres the smug sense of satisfaction that my far-fetched suspicions have been confirmed - though it looks like he was a step ahead of me... :D



Textbook stuff Oliver! Im surprised youre not working for a major newspaper with those kind of insights. Combine your internalised doctrine with your actual belief in the words of Tony Blair (something I still cant quite believe), and youll have a bright future in the world of politics...

http://www.dissensus.com/showthread.php?t=2973&page=4&pp=15

droid
14-02-2006, 12:09 PM
An apt quote?

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it."

- Upton Sinclair

HMGovt
14-02-2006, 07:25 PM
it'll be interesting to see how he spins a pissed-up Cheney's pending manslaughter (http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/02/14/cheney/index.html) of Mr Whittington. Maybe he was an Al Qaeda sleeper?

luka
22-12-2009, 09:28 AM
this is a great thread

scottdisco
22-12-2009, 09:43 AM
i have it on very good authority that Craner is in the pay of the Israel Lobby, Droid works for Viva Palestina and Damascus, Luka works for tips and K-Punk works for a shadowy publishing imprint whose overall aims are as yet unknown.

Mr. Tea
22-12-2009, 10:02 AM
Good job no-one's mentioned mine and Scott's connections to a sinister and obscure cartel of microbreweries and pork scratching mfrs.

Oh wait, shit...

scottdisco
22-12-2009, 10:07 AM
Fucking brilliant Tea, oh nice one, oh really well done like
:mad:

look, i'll bag and hide the hops, you drain and remove the wort from you know where..

Mr. Tea
22-12-2009, 10:26 AM
Bugger, sorry. :o

What am I going to do about the director of Tetley's? My freezer isn't big enough for him and he's starting to get a bit whiffy to be honest, despite the cold. I could see if there's room in the garden for him next to that InBev executive...how big's your garden, Scott?

craner
22-12-2009, 05:47 PM
Now I get paid to infiltrate schools and disseminate pro-Zionist propaganda, like the Diary of Anne Frank.

Mr. Tea
22-12-2009, 05:52 PM
Some guy actually did come to my high school and disseminate Zionist propaganda once. I wasn't the most political teenager in the world but I rememer thinking "Hey, this is a bit off..." at the time.

woops
22-12-2009, 10:07 PM
bumped as part of luka's round up of the best threads of the noughties.

scottdisco
22-12-2009, 11:16 PM
Craner wants to get where the real money is and that is why i suggest to you, Oliver, you shill for Islamists.

that's where the real beads are these days in UK officialdom circles, none of these happy-clappy Anne Frank nonsense.