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Woebot
25-10-2004, 07:11 AM
OK so maybe this years Junior Boys is the Junior Boys etc, but you know what I mean. Obv one can't get enough Street Beats, but what about the music being made by our tender bourgeois colleagues, is it so readily dismissed this year?

Things I have picked up include: The Eternals record, Avey Tare & Panda Bear's Sung Tongs (thinks hard), but that's about it. What am I missing? Or is the bohemian axis as withered as I sometimes fear?

Melmoth
25-10-2004, 07:51 AM
The Fiery Furnaces new one is worth looking into

jwd
25-10-2004, 08:02 AM
Dear Matt-bot
Please define 'our bourgeois friends'...
I would think Panda Bear's new one "Young Prayer" fits this list rather well. Astonishingly beautiful record.
I've been increasingly driven mad by the sheer amount of... well... DULLNESS in this whole field though. If I hear one more creaky post-Current-93 doom-folk outburst I will shave David Tibet's profile into my temples.

Woebot
25-10-2004, 08:18 AM
Please define 'our bourgeois friends'...

Well, without wanting to slide into meaningless generalisations, many of the peeps here might not be classed as your "average grime fan", don't we tend to be from the "right side of the tracks"? Isn't part of the frisson of listening to Grime (beyond it's undeniable righteous hard rockin' nth power and poptasticity) a slight thrill at practising a bit of healthy social transgression? Not that there is anything wrong with that in my book, I mean if everyone was more open to the full panoply of culture, surely society would benefit from a greater mutual comprehension.

Having said this, and perhaps in consequence of this, it can't be right to ignore de facto the products of one's own social milieu, the culture produced by "people like us". And that culture needn't negate, or attempt to be superior to street culture (see cLOUDeAD/Squarepusher) to be valid alongside it.

bun-u
25-10-2004, 08:59 AM
I’ve liked Devandra Banhart’s offerings this year…I found the Fiery Furnaces LP a little over-egged, I love ‘sung tongs’ (haven’t heard the Panda Bear thing yet). Also enjoyed the DAT politics LP. Matthew Dear and the Eternals sound promising

Woebot
25-10-2004, 09:21 AM
I’ve liked Devandra Banhart’s offerings this year…
i keep meaning to check that. you've pushed me into aktion dave.


Also enjoyed the DAT politics LP.
will also check.

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this erosion of the "middleground" must be partly down to:

a) the collapse of jockey slut (if a bit flabby/cheesy theoretically, they often had good taste)

b) the situation at "fortress" wire (where for reasons best known to themselves we'll never see a junior boys article)

c) a general unease for people to stray outside the grime zone (the avant-yob agenda triumphing at the cost thereof. though NB reynolds has been vocal in support of (amongst others) the animal collective

d) most of it is pretty shite (seriously! can you remember a weaker time for indie/electronica?)

mms
25-10-2004, 10:45 AM
i really liked richard longs album, river thru howling sky,
and i've enjoyed the music of mathew jonson .

personally i don't really always get the big things i like the smaller stuff

hint
25-10-2004, 11:19 AM
d) most of it is pretty shite (seriously! can you remember a weaker time for indie/electronica?)

I disagree that this is a weak time for indie.

off the top of my head, I'm currently enjoying:

joanna newsom (http://www.dragcity.com/bands/newsom.html) - everything I had been led to believe devendra banhart was :)
art brut (http://listen.to/artbrut)
bloc party (http://www.blocparty.com)
help she can't swim (http://www.helpshecantswim.co.uk)
the others (http://www.letskilltheothers.com)

jimbackhouse
25-10-2004, 11:23 AM
Richard Youngs definitely seconded. All 3 (?) of his Jagjaguwar albums are sublime!

Also Sunroof! is well worth checking - it's Matthew Bower (from Skullflower). The one album i have, 'Cloudz' is much in the vein of mid 70s krautrock (cluster / harmonia) perhaps more drone orientated, skittering off-kileter drum machines, askew melodies, etc. Really beautiful stuff. And whaddyaknow he's interviewed by David Keenan in this month's wire...

I was dragged along to see Subtle (part of the anticon / clouddead axis) last week and it truly was a soul-sapping affair. Nicely co-ordinated costumes aside, I swear I've never heard any music so simultaneously joyless and smugly superior. Horrible.

mms
25-10-2004, 11:31 AM
oh man even if those anticon lot did a good record people would think it was an ironic injoke.

Melmoth
25-10-2004, 12:30 PM
[QUOTE=bun-u]I’ve liked Devandra Banhart’s offerings this year…

a bit twee though, a bit ... 'fey'.

jwd
25-10-2004, 01:21 PM
Richard Youngs thirded - although when I sent Matt the 4CD 'avant-folk-whatsit' set, he didn't seem too keen on Richard Youngs. Or Alasdair Roberts for that matter. But "River Through Howling Sky" is incredible, the 'sequel' of sorts to Keiji Haino's "First Let's Remove the Colour!" as far as the grey-scale/night-time hermetic blues goes. (So glad you liked it MMS.)

Matt, I was bein' playful with the 'bourgeois friends' thing. I agree re: the frission of listening to Grime, social transgression and all that. I'm quite suspicious of that in some ways, which is why I don't a) write about it ever and b) listen to it an incredible amount. But then I wonder if my finger to the wind, 'research or knowledge base purposes' listening to things like Grime just perpetuates certain ideas that're circulating about listening-as-social-transgression/non-engagement-with-the-full-sweep-of-culture/aesthetix.

There's so many subdivisions within subdivisions... Animal Collective does not necessarily 'trace' particularly well onto the space mapped out by Matt Valentine & Erika Elder, but their recent splurge of CDRs have been incredibly righteous vis. post-Fahey guitar roughed up w/Indian classical tactic and Elizabeth Cotten song-power (beautiful cover of "Freight Train" on one of the CDs that almost tops the version Opal did in the 80s). Time-Lag just reissued the two "Futuristic Folk of the Tower Recordings" CDRs on one beautiful double LP, that might be up yr alley Matt.

Devendra Bongload is alright but a bit too Marc Bolan/Karen Dalton/John Davis to really count as anything too fascinating, his duet with Vashti Bunyan is lovely though. If mainly for Vashti's presence. The Charalambides records are always great - "Joy Shapes" quite harrowing - Simon R is quite a fan of this stuff (to further yr observation re: his 'patronage' of the current crop.)

Someone I know recently compared the Animal Collective to They Might Be Giants! (After I simiarly compared Joanna Newsom to Cyndi Lauper.)

At the risk of having my ass whupped I think Haino really is the dream ticket for this stuff, such a unique presence, and the "Black Blues" sets are phenomenal. But he seems quite the definition of the 'acquired taste' (plus I imagine The Wire's continued patronage of Haino must really put some backs up.)

mms
25-10-2004, 01:34 PM
devendrah benharrt is pretty good, , he's got his good looks too, but i got sick of it after a short while, the things that make it refreshing, (the charm and childish imagination, the voice that sounds like the dragonfly off those crazylegs crane cartoons that were in the middle of the pink panther cartoons,) become the reason you get tired of it.
on another, other good looking people related to devendrah tip, some of that cocorosie record hit the spot, other parts of it didn't.. but it was fresh anyway, apparently they are good live.

jwd
25-10-2004, 01:42 PM
I guess there's a definitional shift there between, say, the folk/Haino/etc. brigade and the indie/electronica/bourgeois team that Matt was originally talking about. Maybe something closer to what Matt's after... I thought that new Mouse On Mars record was quite brilliant, but I feel as though I'm alone in thinking that. There really hasn't been that much good from that indie/electronica 'scene' for a while now has there. Radian? Dean Roberts' new band, Autistic Daughters, their album is fantastic. Not quite as close to Talk Talk c.-"Laughing Stock" as Dean's last record was.

Woebot
25-10-2004, 02:01 PM
Richard Youngs thirded - although when I sent Matt the 4CD 'avant-folk-whatsit' set, he didn't seem too keen on Richard Youngs. Or Alasdair Roberts for that matter. Ha ha ha ha. Oh Dale it's you! Everyone's avatars are so obscure! No he's quite right I wasn't mad on the Richard Youngs (splutter)


Matt, I was bein' playful with the 'bourgeois friends' thing. Yeah I should have known! ;)


I agree re: the frission of listening to Grime, social transgression and all that. I'm quite suspicious of that in some ways, which is why I don't a) write about it ever and b) listen to it an incredible amount. But then I wonder if my finger to the wind, 'research or knowledge base purposes' listening to things like Grime just perpetuates certain ideas that're circulating about listening-as-social-transgression/non-engagement-with-the-full-sweep-of-culture/aesthetix. Well it's shameful to admit really isn't it! One's supposed to just love music without this kind of thing. And sure it's a lot easier for us in London to feel like we're "in" Grime, even if the truth of the matter is that we're as much spectators as anyone else outside Bow and "the scene". I maintain it's no good worrying too much about being an outsider, it's so paralysing!


There's so many subdivisions within subdivisions... Animal Collective does not necessarily 'trace' particularly well onto the space mapped out by Matt Valentine & Erika Elder, but their recent splurge of CDRs have been incredibly righteous vis. post-Fahey guitar roughed up w/Indian classical tactic and Elizabeth Cotten song-power (beautiful cover of "Freight Train" on one of the CDs that almost tops the version Opal did in the 80s). Time-Lag just reissued the two "Futuristic Folk of the Tower Recordings" CDRs on one beautiful double LP, that might be up yr alley Matt. It's the electronic/deconstruction touched within the Animal Collective's music that set them apart from others as far as I'm concerned. It's the implied futurity of what they're doing. Eh up I shall look out that reissue. But (sighs) it's not new this year is it? I'm really after some bleeding edge stuff. Try again Dale ;)


Devendra Bongload is alright but a bit too Marc Bolan/Karen Dalton/John Davis to really count as anything too fascinating, his duet with Vashti Bunyan is lovely though. If mainly for Vashti's presence. The Charalambides records are always great - "Joy Shapes" quite harrowing - Simon R is quite a fan of this stuff (to further yr observation re: his 'patronage' of the current crop.) Charalambides, right, OK. Takes note.


Someone I know recently compared the Animal Collective to They Might Be Giants! (After I simiarly compared Joanna Newsom to Cyndi Lauper.) Lol


At the risk of having my ass whupped I think Haino really is the dream ticket for this stuff, such a unique presence, and the "Black Blues" sets are phenomenal. But he seems quite the definition of the 'acquired taste' (plus I imagine The Wire's continued patronage of Haino must really put some backs up.) Well I've never ruled out Haino, but it just seems like a massive step backwards. I know (the oft-celebrated:)) Mr Keenan thinks that we should abandon this particular concept of the future but I'm just never gonna be convinced.

xero
25-10-2004, 02:03 PM
talking of things that sound like laughing stock, I enjoyed Bark Psychosis' Codename:Dustsucker which seems to be on the 'bourgeois' axis that this thread refers to. I sought it out after realising from his picture in an article in the Wire that Graham Sutton works in my local video shop.

DavidD
25-10-2004, 03:07 PM
I don't know how it is in Cologne, but I certainly would assume Kompakt is pretty bourgie. So yes, I quite like Kompakt this year.

jwd
26-10-2004, 01:09 AM
Well it's shameful to admit really isn't it! One's supposed to just love music without this kind of thing.

Yeah, but that's rather impossible, ultimately. Actually there's nothing more frustrating than that 'music's just music, man' line. Not saying that YOU do that, Matt, but I still cop it from many sides, and it's a bit puzzling.


It's the electronic/deconstruction touched within the Animal Collective's music that set them apart from others as far as I'm concerned. It's the implied futurity of what they're doing. Eh up I shall look out that reissue. But (sighs) it's not new this year is it? I'm really after some bleeding edge stuff. Try again Dale ;)

Matt, dare you accuse me of being BEHIND the eight-ball? ;) This year's actually been quite thin on the ground re: all this stuff, you're right. The usual gripe, you know, it's formed into a 'scene', it's codified, etc., the energy isn't rampant anymore. You should look at my pile of lame folk/noise/improv/blather promo discs. I'm gonna have me a nice bonfire. Alternately I'll put them in a Christmas stocking... Of someone I hate.

That would seem to be quite a limited definition of the relationship between electronics/deconstruction and pop/folk/etc., though. You would know from hearing Tower Recs Folk Scene that the Animal Collective don't have the monopoly on that approach. That new Black Dice record, I dunno, it seemed a bit dull, there must be some more stuff from that 'circle' that's worth following up? Maybe bands like Gang Gang Dance and Excepter?

If anything what fascinates me about the Animal Collective is their adoption of Tropicalia/Brazilian pop at times. And that Panda Bear sounds a bit like Arthur Russell sometimes. I believe someone at ILM made this point, too.


Well I've never ruled out Haino, but it just seems like a massive step backwards. I know (the oft-celebrated:)) Mr Keenan thinks that we should abandon this particular concept of the future but I'm just never gonna be convinced.

Right. For me Haino is one of the very few characters that exists outside of that concept of time/futurity/etc.. As long as no-one is saying that Keenan is abandoning ANY concept of the future.

Re: David D's post, Matt, I simply can't begin to imagine what you'd have to say about Kompakt...

DavidD
26-10-2004, 04:45 AM
I'm not sure wht that means - he dislikes kompakt? Anyway I like it (or rather, the more pop-oriented part of it) because the songs are quite evocative I think. Relaxing yet they make me want to dance. It'll be interesting when I make a top singles list this year and "Timecode" is rubbing shoulders with "Knuck if you Buck".

Woebot
26-10-2004, 06:34 AM
I'm not sure wht that means - he dislikes kompakt?. Hey DavidD! :) What I like isn't of monumental consequence. Yeah I probably ought to look into Microhouse a bit more...I just tend to put a lot of energy into it (when I'm hunting) and come back with only a few things that tickle my fancy. It's a personal thing y'unnerstan.

jwd
26-10-2004, 08:54 AM
Meant nothing David D, beyond me feeling Matt might not be a Kompakt fan and might have some intriguing reasons for that. It's always interesting to know about these things, the how & why of people's tastes. Fascinates ME, anyway. Matt, what microhouse-&-beyond HAS grabbed you?

"Timecode" is fantastic isn't it.

mms
26-10-2004, 09:33 AM
Hey DavidD! :) What I like isn't of monumental consequence. Yeah I probably ought to look into Microhouse a bit more...I just tend to put a lot of energy into it (when I'm hunting) and come back with only a few things that tickle my fancy. It's a personal thing y'unnerstan.

we talked about this b4 and i know where you are coming from, I have liked some stuff around that kompakt axis tho but never really got into their own thing, I liked luciano, matthew dear, mathew jonson, some of the villalobos, fabrice lig, isolee and that minimise series by donnacha costello this year. also the jimmy edgar on war p

also liked the last radian cd alot, although there are alot of improv and electronic units about at the mo, alot of them are wick wick wack though but this lot have enough to pull it off.
load record too i've heard stuff i' ve enjoyed, stress and storm and the mighty lightning bolt.

xero
26-10-2004, 09:59 AM
Without wishing to get picky over genre-labels, I always thought microhouse referred to stuff like say Thomas Brinkmann or Akufen that uses the minutiae & ephemera of digital sound, like the clicks & cuts glitchtronica of mille plateaux but with a 4-4 or thereabouts beat. The cologne sound seems to be something altogether different - more of a straightforward development from deep house and techno but spliced with eighties synth pop & euro-disco as well as of course glam rock - its not a fetishisation of process like the micro-stuff. For me there's still tons of exciting dance records around at the moment, mostly coming from Germany, France & Italy, it could even be seen as similar to the situation in the early to mid eighties when the disco axis shifted from America to Europe.

Woebot
26-10-2004, 10:05 AM
Without wishing to get picky over genre-labels, I always thought microhouse referred to stuff like say Thomas Brinkmann or Akufen that uses the minutiae & ephemera of digital sound, like the clicks & cuts glitchtronica of mille plateaux but with a 4-4 or thereabouts beat.
It's all rock'n'roll to me. :rolleyes:

xero
26-10-2004, 10:51 AM
It's all rock'n'roll to me. :rolleyes:

you know it's only rock'n'roll but do you like it?

Eppy
26-10-2004, 02:52 PM
Isn't Annie this year's Junior Boys?

I feel like I'm missing something about the classification scheme here, but to throw out a few things: Meow Meow's album I very much like, the Phoenix album is great but maybe not so au current now, uh, half of the Dogs Die In Hot Cars album, the new Donna Summer album...eh, I've been pretty bored with electronic stuff this quarter, if that's what we're focusing on.

The Bloc Party EP is HORRIBLE.

Jim Daze
26-10-2004, 03:42 PM
I was in Smallfish Records in Old street the other, desperate to buy a record, y'know, anything interesting.
Not a thing on the new release wall to excite even the ghost of techno past. So I ask the guy about something that I saw that looked intrigeing, a little mini cd. "Whats that mate ?", reply "Electronica", then nothing, it's like I know it's bleedin elctronica, is it any good, ...........

electronica as a genre suckss a massive one, it is such a dead end and smallfish need to get some decent records in..

bun-u
26-10-2004, 04:00 PM
electronica as a genre suckss a massive one, it is such a dead end and smallfish need to get some decent records in..[/QUOTE]


I felt exactly the same way about that place…set up with a clear ethos/niche 5 or 6 years ago and now in a cul-de-sac. Last time I was in there I struggled through the stacks of colour dot denoted vinyl and eventually had a little listen to Wolf Eyes – my god is it me or isn’t sub pop doing the same ol thing over glitch/noise electronica just a little …obvious? On a good note though, smallfish have a downstairs café, which means they have a toilet, which means that I have an answer to my propensity to empty my bowels when flicking through vinyl….

bun-u
26-10-2004, 04:01 PM
I feel I have lowered the Dissensus tone somewhat?

Chef Napalm
26-10-2004, 04:18 PM
I'm quite taken with the Marz record.

*Two cents added*

kek-w
26-10-2004, 10:18 PM
Circle! (For Finnish post-Kraut thrills.) But they've only been going for nearly 13 years...so, er, hardly new.

As for (eek) "electronica", well, Grime just makes most things sound a bit like the electronic equivalent of Dadrock.

mms
27-10-2004, 11:09 AM
i dunno there is alot of good electronic music out there but there is alot of that kinda melodic mid 90's stuff or sloshy almost new age coffee table stuff which is a bit old now.
s.a.b.l.a. music, ie sounds a bit like autechre/aphex .

GuyMercier
28-10-2004, 09:18 PM
the eternals ? well, I wanted to like them and the sleeve is great, the record has a few great tracks but I keep not wanting to listen to it again

the records that really moved me so far this year were the last Destroyer which is bound to become a classic, the Double's Palm Fronds which was so very weird and enchanting both before and after I changed my speakers, ariel pink of which I am awaiting the latest release on vinyl, lemme see
the futureheads, they rule
yup

Diggedy Derek
28-10-2004, 10:05 PM
I love Circle, indeed played a gig with them the other day, only problem is their albums never seem to live up to live performances. The Scandinavian Acid Mother's Temple perhaps. Having dispensed with a guitarist, they're much less hard, much more trancey, indeed not quite so far from electric era Miles Davis (what with the Fender Rhodes action).

Sufjan Stevens I quite like, although he's so wet and weedy it's almost the exception that supports Matt's rule that all current indie pop is rubbish.

Richard Youngs, though, is indeed as good as JWD suggests. Nice to see Jon here.

Diggedy Derek
28-10-2004, 10:22 PM
Oh, and the Spektrum album is very good. Punk-funk crossed with avant noise, but generally better and more essential than you'd expect that description to suggest. It's quite like Mu or DNA- surreal, surprising, twisted. Even The Wire bigged that one up- indeed I think the Wire was choosing an avant-funk standard bearer that it genuinely hoped might have a modicum of real success.

GuyMercier
28-10-2004, 10:29 PM
the Wire is the ultimate bourgeois read
it's so out of touch
well, the last time I saw it...

chris h lynn
28-10-2004, 10:39 PM
I love Animal Collective's sung tongs, but if you listen closely to Smiley Smile by The Beach Boys there are wonderful similarities in vocal and spirit, not as groundbreaking as some may believe....Panda Bear is a different matter.

Backjob
29-10-2004, 07:09 AM
The Blood Brothers? I thought it was awful, but a lot of people seemed to like it...

Agree that the Black Dice thing is a tedious re-tread of a tedious re-tread of something that happened around about 1992. It's like seeing baggy trousers transition from gangs to rappers to ravers and finally end up on the trasheap of nu-metal a couple of years back.

My booshwah pick of the year would be /rupture vs Mutamassik's "Bidoun sessions" but I'm not sure that quite counts...

Melmoth
29-10-2004, 08:19 AM
I heard the new Fennez on a decent rig last night for the first time and it was a revelation.
Great slabs of decaying noise, beautiful and true.

Woebot
30-10-2004, 07:46 PM
joanna newsom (http://www.dragcity.com/bands/newsom.html) - everything I had been led to believe devendra banhart was :) bloody hell you're not wrong about the joanne newsom. shes fantastic. i also checked out the banhart (FINALLY!) and my feeling was, er like so what. im afraid he strikes me as a complete flake/fake. when he hits that trex warble it's a pretty empty moment. the newsom on the other hand, she sounds like a profoundly disturbed eight year old, really relishes making her strange noises, hits notes with guileful clumsiness. too smart to be cloying, too bugwired to be mainstream. that harp is stunning too. still stuck on side one :-) the parrallel with db is adroit and illuminating.

i do have a feeling jwd is gonna lambast her as the new cyndi lauper, but i can live with that. the tunes are beyond seductive (only bad thing about it thus far is the crap cover). not quite vashti (the benchmark innit) but damn nearly getting there.

Nick Gutterbreakz
30-10-2004, 09:14 PM
Jesus...I didn't think I listened exclusively to 'street' music, but I don't know a fucking thing about all these acts you guys are talking about. Fennesz is good, so are the Junior boys, but as for the rest...I've no idea what you're all on about. To be honest, I'm not really that switched-on to the latest sounds anyway. Today I've just been listening to old Joey Beltram tracks. Works for me every time....

jwd
31-10-2004, 01:14 AM
i do have a feeling jwd is gonna lambast her as the new cyndi lauper, but i can live with that.

nah actually she's not bad, joanna newsom, i just wish she'd write a song as beautiful as "time after time".

nick.K
31-10-2004, 01:56 AM
I've not heard the album but I've seen her perform many times and she can cerrtainly generate a presence on stage, I didn't know if I should watch or listen... Highlight = dog barks

Woebot
31-10-2004, 05:39 AM
nah actually she's not bad, joanna newsom, i just wish she'd write a song as beautiful as "time after time".you're full of surprises dale

Woebot
31-10-2004, 05:43 AM
I've not heard the album but I've seen her perform many times and she can cerrtainly generate a presence on stage, I didn't know if I should watch or listen... Highlight = dog barksyeah shes purdy too. i think shes on a tour of the provinces at the moment. going to manchester, glasgow and bristol in the next week. give joey (and richard lol) a rest, check the listings gutter and get down there.

jed_
01-11-2004, 12:51 AM
"Timecode" is fantastic isn't it.

Indeed it is - but it's a disco-nouveau track, surely, not a microhouse track as i understand it. If timecode is micro then so was the Metro Area album (and it certainly wasn't).

nick.K
01-11-2004, 12:53 AM
drop me a line for g-lists

nick.K
01-11-2004, 01:04 AM
he's no breakthrough act but people should check out a track called Oxygen by Wi11y Ma5on, the album's quite strong too. I haven't heard a recorded version that matches his live performance. To sound like dylan and unplugged Kobain without coming across as pretentious is quite a feat. That said, I biased, I just spent 3 weeks on the road with him, just the two of us. And the oxygen track made sure I didn't have to pay for any hotels; the chicks just melt

simon silverdollar
03-11-2004, 12:00 PM
this years junior boys = jimmy edgar. slinky + shimmery r n b & electro joy.



thanks for the recommendation, nick gutterbreakz!

mms
04-11-2004, 12:08 PM
this years junior boys = jimmy edgar. slinky + shimmery r n b & electro joy.



thanks for the recommendation, nick gutterbreakz!

know where you are coming from but it's all a big samey to me over an 6 tracker
the mould of detroit techno and r and b bent out of shape with odd timings and dsp, effects and that, too much pitchbending and fake scratching effects, quite post-windowlicker, i dunno, it didn't leave me feeling anything.

Nick Gutterbreakz
04-11-2004, 02:03 PM
know where you are coming from but it's all a big samey to me over an 6 tracker
the mould of detroit techno and r and b bent out of shape with odd timings and dsp, effects and that, too much pitchbending and fake scratching effects, quite post-windowlicker, i dunno, it didn't leave me feeling anything.

Blimey, you're a difficult one to please! And you've just listed all the things I think are great about it. My man Edgar is THE SHIT.

mms
04-11-2004, 03:22 PM
i don't actually dislike it at all after 6 tracks tho it's a bit much of the same thing over again.

Nick Gutterbreakz
04-11-2004, 03:38 PM
i it's a bit much of the same thing over again.

yeah I know what you mean, but I've always liked that 'tunnel vision' vibe. I have eclectic tastes (believe it or not) but love the purity of a singular vision, basically rinsing every micro-possibilty out of an idea. And when the idea's as sexy as Jimmy's, it's a place I can stay in for a couple more album's worth yet...

mms
04-11-2004, 03:44 PM
ohh the song title "i wanna be your std " is not in my mind a sexy thing.. almost puts me off listening to it. :D

Nick Gutterbreakz
04-11-2004, 04:22 PM
cheeky! ;)

sammy garraluga
05-11-2004, 05:41 AM
Blimey, you're a difficult one to please! And you've just listed all the things I think are great about it. My man Edgar is THE SHIT.

Yes, the Jimmy rocks the girls and boys, ardkore. ;)

juliand
07-11-2004, 02:45 AM
Bourgeois music would be something else entirely, would it not? From Baudelaire's "To the Bourgeois": "You are the majority, in number and intelligence; therefore you are the force---which is justice..."

Would not bourgeois music then be the iTunes Top Ten? Maroon 5, Eminem, the New U2? A Ray Charles best-of, and "Live Licks"? Certainly no "micro-house" (which sounds like a 4x4 house tune that's only 5 seconds long).
You've got your bourgeoisie all messed up with the intelligentsia, I think. Everyone's "bourgie" choices seem very indie-smart and collegiate.

With that in mind, the intelligentsiac songs that are keeping me together would be the White Magic EP; Gang Gang Dance LP; the new Vanishing LP; Diplo Rhythm....and.....urrrr.... I am having a hard time not reaching back six months to "Give me every little thing". Though none of it quite seems to fit the "forward-thinking" agenda satisfactorily, does it?

Maybe the category is itself rear-guard, or "museal"? Joanna Newsom sounds like Bjork doing covers of the Anthology of American Folk Music to me; I find it too studied and Garrison-Keilloresque. (But then I live at neo-folk ground zero; perhaps familiarity breeds contempt?). Jimmy Edgar EP I thought sounded like the horrible Prefuse 73 (itself Samba Autechre...eurrggh). Though them new tracks up on bleep sound somewhat less dire.

But then I'm listening to the Guerilla Black LP constantly, whose ersatz character makes it indigestible to intelligenstia and burgher alike; my listening habits and "foward thinking" may be profoundly out-of-sync right now.

Nick Gutterbreakz
07-11-2004, 10:47 AM
U don't like Jimmy or Prefuse 73?!

Ouch! That hurts.. :(

juliand
07-11-2004, 08:04 PM
No, though I did think the "STD" song you posted was a step up. What did you think of the Milanese? I liked it but didn't enjoy it, if that makes any sense. I LOVED the kode 9/daddy gee "sign of the dub". as a song it simply exists, a "real time status", rather than "going somewhere". it's similar to a shinehead 12" i have, a cover of "diamonds in the back," in which a profoundly stoned DJ mumbles in his slow, basso voice throughout: gas bubbles rising through dub molasses

Nick Gutterbreakz
07-11-2004, 11:01 PM
What did you think of the Milanese? I liked it but didn't enjoy it, if that makes any sense. I LOVED the kode 9/daddy gee "sign of the dub".

Oh yeah, I'm sold on Milanese. I really should write something about him sometime. This and Jimmy's latest are what I'd call mini-albums, which is why they're not in my 'best albums of 04' list, being the pedantic muthafucka that I am.

'Sign of the dub' is a bit special, isn't it? Probably why I was a little underwhelmed by Kode 9's 'Grime 2' offerings was cos they were a bit lacking by comparison.

puretokyo
08-11-2004, 10:39 AM
In preference to a number of the acts mentioned above, I've been enjoying greatly -

The Castanets. Simply amazing, wallowing darkness of blackened country. Similar to Woven Hand, a little. And the new Woven Hand album beggars belief. Check them out, I'm not sure too many people are terribly familiar with those in old blighty. Very good if you like that kind of art-damaged country, a la Jason Molina or early Bad Seeds.

and

Home Video. Really nice new Warp signing, puts most of the "folk-tronica" (excuse me while I remove my fist from myself) etc stuff to shame.

rob_giri
09-11-2004, 09:00 PM
Hey anyone been listening to that Golden Apples of the Sun record compiled by Devendra Banhart? Fucking fantastic, little unknown gems spread all over the album. The Jana Hunter and Josephine Foster tracks are righteous ;)

HMGovt
22-11-2004, 11:06 PM
Arcade Fire - Funeral
Rebellion (lies) is worth the price alone - reminds me of Pixies' Velouria

Another late entry - the Kiki LP has some fine tracks on it