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Poisonous Dart
27-05-2008, 04:41 PM
I'm finally going to make a post about Grime on my blog and I refuse to do the same 'ol same bullshit "Just the facts with no feeling" type that I read in magazines.

As far as the early influential UKG records from about 2000 leading into 2002 when Grime was at it's Alpha so to speak I feel that I'm missing some important releases and instrumentals that further pushed the creation of Grime from the 2 Step and UKG scene. What important/influential tracks did I miss? So far I remember (going back to the old Artful Dodger/So Solid Crew/Pay As U Go Cartel days):

Dilemma-So Solid Crew (2000)
Casualty (Bound 4 Da Reload)-Oxide & Nuetrino (2000)
Know We-Pay As U Go Cartel (2000)
Ride Wid Us/21 Seconds/Envy (f/Ms. Dynamite)- So Solid Crew (2001)
I Will Not Lose-Wiley (PAUG) (2001)
Eskimo-Wiley (2001)
Booo!-Sticky f/Ms. Dynamite (2001)
Has It Come To This-The Streets (2001/2)
Oi!-More Fire Crew (2001/2)
Creeper-Danny Weed (2002)
Pulse X-Musical Mob (Youngstar) (2002)
Heartless Theme (Superglue Riddim)-Heartless Crew (2002)
Champagne Dance-Pay As U Go Cartel (2002)
Don't Mug Yourself/Let's Push Things Forward/Weak Become Heroes-The Streets (2002)
I Luv U-Dizzee Rascal (2002/3)
Back Then-More Fire Crew (2002/3)
We're Ready-East Connection (2003)
Boys Love Girls-Kano (2003)
Fix Up, Look Sharp/Jus A Rascal-Dizzee Rascal (2003)
Ice Rink/Ground Zero/Igloo/Blizzard/Shangai-Wiley (2003)

I know I missed quite a few important/influential 12's, instrumentals and tracks in this list (even going into 2004/5). Also I know some of you think some of these songs should be omitted as well. Help me out here to ensure that my blog won't suck like those written by assholes who don't know what the fuck they're talking about.

Thanks in advance, fellow Dissensians.

One.

slackk
27-05-2008, 05:34 PM
bigshot- stomp
anna/havana/ghetto kyote/tingz in boots/100s of others- ruff sqwad
strings hoe/go/streetfighter- dizzee (i wouldn't count fix up look sharp or jus a rascal in this)
private caller- skepta
bongo eyes- bossman
warriors/gladiator- alias (there are loads of alias beats you could mention i guess)

i'm just going off the top of my head here, i'll have a proper think on it later.

you could always give www.grimetapes.com a shout as well ;)

Poisonous Dart
27-05-2008, 05:46 PM
bigshot- stomp
anna/havana/ghetto kyote/tingz in boots/100s of others- ruff sqwad
strings hoe/go/streetfighter- dizzee (i wouldn't count fix up look sharp or jus a rascal in this)
private caller- skepta
bongo eyes- bossman
warriors/gladiator- alias (there are loads of alias beats you could mention i guess)

i'm just going off the top of my head here, i'll have a proper think on it later.

you could always give www.grimetapes.com a shout as well ;)

The earliest Ruff Sqwad I know of (Anna/Down/Tings In Boots) was all in 2004 isn't it?

When was Skepta's "Private Caller" made...2005, right? I haven't gotten there yet with the list...I wanna shore up what happened between 2000-2003 first.

As far as Dizzee goes I have to include those songs because those were his singles and videos...unless you're willing to upload all of his early vinyl to YouTube so people who read my blog could hear his early 12's as well. Ho, Go & Streetfighter are nowhere to be found and only Hoe even appears on Discogs...see what I mean?

Thanks.

One.

slackk
27-05-2008, 05:59 PM
sorry, didn't clock the dates thing. Anna was late '03, but yeah, it was just a quick reply.

as for the dizzee things, I'm not upping them to youtube but I don't mind getting some rapidshare or whatever to you if you want to do it yourself.

ho-
http://rapidshare.com/files/97334578/Dizzee_Rascal-_Hoe.mp3
strings ho-
http://rapidshare.com/files/97056046/01_dizzee_rascal_-_strings_hoe.mp3

i'll sort the rest of the dizzee later if you want.

you should read that vip2 thread as well

aMinadaB
27-05-2008, 06:08 PM
A very informative post by Plasticman on the early period of ukg/grime (circa 1999 and beyond) from the early days of Dissensus is here, hope it helps:

http://www.dissensus.com/showthread.php?p=9327#post9327

Poisonous Dart
27-05-2008, 06:43 PM
A very informative post by Plasticman on the early period of ukg/grime (circa 1999 and beyond) from the early days of Dissensus is here, hope it helps:

http://www.dissensus.com/showthread.php?p=9327#post9327

Thanks, this is what I'm talking about! I didn't know that Skepta's "D.T.I./Pirate Station Anthem" was from 2003 and I forgot all about Donae'o and I never even mentioned Sticky's other productions.

The big problem for me came because between 2000-2002 I remembered all of these joints but I was foggy on 2003. 2004-2006 I have a damn good memory of, though. I didn't know that there was actually a slowdown in Grime releases in 2003. I just thought I was crazy.

Good lookin' out!

One.

mistersloane
27-05-2008, 08:50 PM
Hey PD,

Presume you got this already but check here

http://www.vip2.co.uk/forum/index.php?showtopic=1112

for some insane amount of early stuff.

mistersloane
27-05-2008, 08:54 PM
'Oh No' by Oxide and Neutrino (So Solid) should be in the list as well, imo.

Poisonous Dart
27-05-2008, 09:52 PM
Hey PD,

Presume you got this already but check here

http://www.vip2.co.uk/forum/index.php?showtopic=1112

for some insane amount of early stuff.

I slept on Alias and Jon E Cash...Was Jon E Cash Black Ops or am I just confused?

Thanks, fam!

One.

slackk
27-05-2008, 10:34 PM
Yeah, Jon E Cash was in black ops.

elgato
27-05-2008, 11:31 PM
'Oh No' by Oxide and Neutrino (So Solid) should be in the list as well, imo.

for some reason on the weekend i found myself perusing Oxide & Neutrino and So Solid classics on youtube, and was really feeling some of them. sick sick beats. vocals are not my favourite but quite jokes. also good for the ludicrous videos, Up Middle Finger is particularly amusing

what at the time was the response from the garage scene? were they generally very quickly alienated from it?

Itchy & Scratchy
28-05-2008, 12:02 AM
what at the time was the response from the garage scene? were they generally very quickly alienated from it?"Forty year olds in this garage committee, arguing over dear old we that's a pity, we represent you, now that's kinda shitty, that's why *something, something* and I take the mickey."


- "Return of da Supa" by Oxide & Neutrino

I remember trying to write a report on Garage for my GCSE Media Studies project around about late 2001. I never really got any further than this article from the Guardian (http://www.guardian.co.uk/friday_review/story/0,,408024,00.html) about the reaction to the likes of O&N et al. from the "old guard". Suffice to say the report never got written.

Immryr
28-05-2008, 12:02 AM
hungry tiger is one of my very favourite grime beats. all time bizzness.

elgato
28-05-2008, 12:27 AM
nice one for the article, very funny. the committee thing is so so jokes

there was also the thing about Anthill Mob taking Heartless to court arguing that their lyrics over Burnin constituted "derogatory treatment" of the copyright wasnt there?! that is a mad one

sorry PD if this is derailing, but it might be of interest to you too? if not i can take it elsewhere...

Poisonous Dart
28-05-2008, 06:17 PM
nice one for the article, very funny. the committee thing is so so jokes

there was also the thing about Anthill Mob taking Heartless to court arguing that their lyrics over Burnin constituted "derogatory treatment" of the copyright wasnt there?! that is a mad one

sorry PD if this is derailing, but it might be of interest to you too? if not i can take it elsewhere...

"Bushkin, Bushkin, Bushkin, Bushkin!"

I knew a girl that used to looooove Heartless Crew and she played those goddamn "Crisp Biscuit" CD's to death. She loved "Burnin". I remember when they goes sued for using it as well. I never really liked their music, their radio shows....yeah.

"Crisp Biscuit!"

LOL.

One.

Corpsey
28-05-2008, 06:27 PM
I've been listening to that bok-bok blogariddims mix recently and its made me realise that I want to be a grime instrumental

benjybars
28-05-2008, 06:40 PM
I've been listening to that bok-bok blogariddims mix recently and its made me realise that I want to be a grime instrumental


which one would you be?

tom pr
28-05-2008, 06:47 PM
I want to be eskimo 2.

Corpsey
28-05-2008, 07:02 PM
Fire Hydrant

Then kids can play around me in the summertime too

Poisonous Dart
28-05-2008, 07:46 PM
I'd be either Creeper, Morgue or the Spaceship Riddim.

I love 'em all.

One.

elgato
28-05-2008, 11:13 PM
"Bushkin, Bushkin, Bushkin, Bushkin!"

I knew a girl that used to looooove Heartless Crew and she played those goddamn "Crisp Biscuit" CD's to death. She loved "Burnin". I remember when they goes sued for using it as well. I never really liked their music, their radio shows....yeah.

"Crisp Biscuit!"

LOL.

One.

my old housemate used to love Heartless, and i would often awake to hear him rinsing their classic lyrics in the shower. i think they had a vibe, anyone pinning a career on the concept "Crisp Biscuit" has got something pretty heavy going on imo!

Immryr
28-05-2008, 11:25 PM
heartless were hilarious. even later on when they had 1xtra on a sunday they used to crease me up.

Immryr
28-05-2008, 11:27 PM
hungry tiger is a big, big, big, big, favourite of mine. you can definitel tell it had a big influence in the sound of plastic ian's early stuff (which i also love), like print loop and shoxwave etc.

ramadanman
29-05-2008, 12:28 AM
does anyone know where oxide and neutrino are now? apart from doing the odd live PA in watford lol

mistersloane
29-05-2008, 03:05 AM
I am Morgue.

petergunn
29-05-2008, 05:43 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjxvpRPNsSI&feature=related

can anyone inform this american what the beat is a 6:04? on some many old tapes and i have no idea what it is...

mos dan
29-05-2008, 09:24 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjxvpRPNsSI&feature=related

can anyone inform this american what the beat is a 6:04? on some many old tapes and i have no idea what it is...

that's 'are you really from the endz?' innit? too many man dem wanna pretend

viktorvaughn
29-05-2008, 12:57 PM
which one would you be?

I would be Lethal Injection or Grime or Ice Rink.

Thanks for the records!

benjybars
29-05-2008, 01:12 PM
I would be Lethal Injection or Grime or Ice Rink.

Thanks for the records!

no problem bruv!

i would be the ice rink remix that Esco spits over on the lord of the decks cd.

Corpsey
29-05-2008, 07:10 PM
I'd like to eat 'Frontline' by Newham Generals, with a side order of Riko over the gee rmx of 'What'

rockypoppy2
29-05-2008, 08:13 PM
Thanks, this is what I'm talking about! I didn't know that Skepta's "D.T.I./Pirate Station Anthem" was from 2003 and I forgot all about Donae'o and I never even mentioned Sticky's other productions.

The big problem for me came because between 2000-2002 I remembered all of these joints but I was foggy on 2003. 2004-2006 I have a damn good memory of, though. I didn't know that there was actually a slowdown in Grime releases in 2003. I just thought I was crazy.

Good lookin' out!

One.



theres that one with lady stush - in fact im sure roll deep did a cd - roll deep presents grimey vol 1 which kind of chronicles the history of the sound in a very loose way

ive got it on mp3, there maxwell d -serious, lady stush - dollar sign (which i think sounds like a sticky beat, not sure from when tho)


actually looking back at the tracklist, that cd looks to have been 2004, bit late for you

rockypoppy2
29-05-2008, 08:15 PM
speaking of early grime/garage etc... i asked in the grime thread if anyone knew anything about Nu Brand Flexxx - Ghetto Life

will try to up a clip

slackk
29-05-2008, 08:23 PM
speaking of early grime/garage etc... i asked in the grime thread if anyone knew anything about Nu Brand Flexxx - Ghetto Life

will try to up a clip

Yeah, man, up that. I've never even heard of Ghetto Life by them.

rockypoppy2
29-05-2008, 08:32 PM
its a sick tune, ive heard it in sets before, but where ive ripped it from is the first luka/msoses set - dj deisel/wiley/godgift etc..

anyway here you go

http://www.mediafire.com/?i82sdjxbchw


one of those back in the day tunes, kind of reminds me of maxwell d' serious but with a much rougher bassline breakdown

luka
29-05-2008, 11:14 PM
it's a deep tune.... and while we're on that set... whos the other mc on the boys in the hood track? i think he's really good and he's always been a mystery to me. that sets a great little breakdown of early grime classics. the early east is east tracks were great, specially the wiley remix of that one.

petergunn
30-05-2008, 12:19 PM
that's 'are you really from the endz?' innit? too many man dem wanna pretend

are you sure? i found a copy of that and i don't think it quite matches up...

luka
30-05-2008, 01:01 PM
there were almost endless remixes, officail and otherwise....

Poisonous Dart
10-06-2008, 06:26 PM
there were almost endless remixes, officail and otherwise....

That song confused the hell out of me with all of the different versions. My Grime blog won't be dropping until the NBA Finals is finally wrapped up and hopefully my beloved Boston Celtics will come up on top.

One.

Tim F
11-06-2008, 10:36 AM
The best version (from a riddim perspective) of "Are You Really From The Endz" is the VIP mix, that's the instrumental one all the grime MCs were rapping over at the end of 02 and beginning of 03.

There's also a decent Jammer mix.

I love the sound of the VIP mix - which is why the fact that funky house increasingly sounds like it is pleasing me so much.

theo
22-06-2008, 02:13 PM
This old skool grime mix is a great history lesson - good selection too
http://dissensus.com/showthread.php?t=7270

Poisonous Dart
09-07-2008, 07:01 PM
Look out for it!

One.