continuum was the one who said so, on p21 of this thread, if that helps...
Burial "Untrue"
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bassnation
the abyss
i've been listening to the two last massive attack albums a lot recently - strange as i dissed them both at the time (rocky and dirgey in comparision to their earlier more dancey or dubbed lps). dunno why, just seems to suit walking about south london this time of year, and probably my mood which is not exactly filled full of sunshine right now. but... the 2nd burial album doesn't even come close to capturing anything i feel about london, or life in general come to that. the "emotion" is as contrived and hollow as a tiesto trance breakdown, and his signifiers are becoming old real quick. i don't tend to like music which tries to push those buttons in a really cack-handedly obvious way.
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Alfons
Way of the future
Yeah, I still like pretty much everything buy Massive Attack, (Blue Lines and Mezzanine being favourites tho). Thought the "Collected" lp from last year was great.
On another note someone on dubstep forum revealed sample sources for Archangel and Untrue, they got censored pretty quickly. Funny...
noel emits
a wonderful wooden reason
That was pretty dumb thing to do. I know you can't stop the internet but don't post it up on the dubstep forum ffs.
why not?
sodiumnightlife
Sweet Virginia
i'm guessing it's because hyperdub haven't and won't be able to pay sample clearances. i may be imagining this in my feverish state but didn't i red that something on ghost hardware is christina aguilera? hyperdub would be royally fucked if her label found out. even if it was just small people, the albums built so heavily on samples it would cost a bomb.
noel emits
a wonderful wooden reason
Yeah, I don't recognise any of the samples myself but it would seem that some of them are recognisably from some rather high profile sources. And there's a few of them. The reason I thought it was a dumb thing is that posting it on the internet is like me taking out an ad in the paper detailing every little thing my mate does that might get him in trouble.
Do people really think that big record companies don't do regular searches on their artist's names to see what's being said? Only to find stuff like what sodiumnightlife has just posted above?
To be honest I'm not too sure what the thinking is in putting it out like that anyway. I hope things turn out alright.
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bassnation
the abyss
the dumb thing is using them in the first place, if they are that high profile. suad being a cool label didn't stop them getting utterly crushed for this. its not the fans responsibilty after all, but yeah people should be careful.
straight
wings cru
i was wondering the same thing at the weekend, i'd say the more nondescipt the samples the worse it would be as labels try and claw one last big stack o papes from a bargain binned record. kode is pretty brave putting this out actually, it could be one in the ass for hyperdub in the long run
but seriously, 30 fucking pages on this now? you can actually see people tiring of the album as the thread goes on they're over analysing it so much, you are ruining the record for yourselves. Go outside. Listen to something else. Have a laugh. Its nearly the weekend.
but seriously, 30 fucking pages on this now? you can actually see people tiring of the album as the thread goes on they're over analysing it so much, you are ruining the record for yourselves. Go outside. Listen to something else. Have a laugh. Its nearly the weekend.
noel emits
a wonderful wooden reason
I suspect the LP would never have had a release if the correct channels had to be gone through. I don't fully get the thinking myself but then we don't all know the full story.
It's not the fans responsibility no, but you don't grass your mates up do you?
It's not the fans responsibility no, but you don't grass your mates up do you?
bassnation
the abyss
no, and i was fucking gutted when shut up and dance disappeared for years after getting their arses sued. up until then there was a prevailing idea that everything was up for grabs, it was pretty much a precedent in the uk.
I didn't really like Massive Attack at the time, but i think they were a quality act all the same. Unfortunately their music became tarnished by what they came to represent by its ubiquity. Like, I forget the name of the song (not sure if it's the one with Liz Frazer but it starts with a very distinctive snare snap - sampled it myself ha ha) but I'm still hearing that used extremely lazily by TV program makers.
I remember watching Big Brother once, slightly caned and sensitized to The Horror, and the big black guy Victor asked mental Scot Lyn (is that right?) what kind of music she was into. As her face creased into an expression that suggested her brain was sub-consciously sifting through hundreds of micro-options based on the image of herself she wished to project, I lurched forward in my seat and spat "Massive Attack!" at the screen, and sure enough that's what she said. I remember my girllfriend being resolutely unimpressed by this soothsaying hipster vibesmanship, but fuckit, they are that kind of band aren't they? Regular consumers can buy a little bit of a cool along with the CD...
I remember watching Big Brother once, slightly caned and sensitized to The Horror, and the big black guy Victor asked mental Scot Lyn (is that right?) what kind of music she was into. As her face creased into an expression that suggested her brain was sub-consciously sifting through hundreds of micro-options based on the image of herself she wished to project, I lurched forward in my seat and spat "Massive Attack!" at the screen, and sure enough that's what she said. I remember my girllfriend being resolutely unimpressed by this soothsaying hipster vibesmanship, but fuckit, they are that kind of band aren't they? Regular consumers can buy a little bit of a cool along with the CD...
noel emits
a wonderful wooden reason
Seeing music from various different angles doesn't mean you necessarily think the producer has put all those things in there deliberately or consciously.
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Alfons
Way of the future
Do they tho? Right now Britney spears returns about 30 million hits on google and christina aguilera has about 8 million (even "christina aguilera sample burial" has about 53000 hits), do the labels really have people going through thousands of sites, blogs and forums looking for illegal samples? The whole thing seems unlikely and banal to me. (don't imagine you could use a bot as the context and semantics seems really important)
And there's some hypocrisy in it as well, in my opinion. Should the tunes be played on radio? The big labels might have someone listening... Should you play them out at gatherings where you suspect there might be some label people?
noel emits
a wonderful wooden reason
Some record company people will be watching Burial with interest don't you think? They're not all completely out of touch. They read Pitchfork lol. They might even read dissensus!!! Do you not think dubstep is already being watched eagerly for pickings?
Also, have you tried searching 'Britney Spears Uncleared Sample'? I haven't but there are ways to find things if that's your aim.
The real point though - and I don't think there's any hipocrisy in this - is why grass on your mates?
Also, have you tried searching 'Britney Spears Uncleared Sample'? I haven't but there are ways to find things if that's your aim.
The real point though - and I don't think there's any hipocrisy in this - is why grass on your mates?
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noel emits
a wonderful wooden reason
And do you think record companies are unaware of Bloc Party and Thom Yorke? Yeah that's well underground.
straight
wings cru
I think I'll always have a little soft spot for massive atack, i was about 14 when mezzanine came out and it was my favourite album ever. It really influenced the music i got into along with a few other records of the time, Ok computer, Ladies and gentlemen we are floating in space, endtroducing, all on crappy fuzzy tapes. did Burial actually lift a sample from teardrop on the first album? i always thought it was a bit too shamelessly obvious for it to really be though
the whole sampling argument winds me up so much. OK if youve nicked a hook fair enough but if you're completely recontextualising something then concessions need to be made. its ridiculous that 30 years into sampling as an artform and the law still hasnt caught up to modern musical practices. the trouble is (i might be wrong) burial; seems to have become hyperdubs cash cow, critical ears have been on it for quite a while, its only a matter of time before someone thinks there is money to be made. there is no point suing an artist if theyve no readies.
On a lighter note, is anyone aware of any full on burial knock off? like, shamelessly embarrassing style copyists
the whole sampling argument winds me up so much. OK if youve nicked a hook fair enough but if you're completely recontextualising something then concessions need to be made. its ridiculous that 30 years into sampling as an artform and the law still hasnt caught up to modern musical practices. the trouble is (i might be wrong) burial; seems to have become hyperdubs cash cow, critical ears have been on it for quite a while, its only a matter of time before someone thinks there is money to be made. there is no point suing an artist if theyve no readies.
On a lighter note, is anyone aware of any full on burial knock off? like, shamelessly embarrassing style copyists
Alfons
Way of the future
Im not saying that Burial is too underground, Im just saying that in general it seems unlikely to me that people are searching the internet for information about uncleared/illegal samples with the intention of legal action and making millions. (How does stuff like that even work, is burial, with 20.000 copies sold worth a lot of money?)
Even if they do use those means of finding illegal samples aren't the tunes themselves more likely to attract attention rather than discussion on some trainspotting msg board.
I don't think people discuss it to "grass" on their mates (sorry ,unfamiliar with the term grass, not a native english speaker, assuming it means telling on/ratting out?). I just think with sample based music people like to discuss samples, seems like just one side of the music that people might want to talk about.
Even if they do use those means of finding illegal samples aren't the tunes themselves more likely to attract attention rather than discussion on some trainspotting msg board.
I don't think people discuss it to "grass" on their mates (sorry ,unfamiliar with the term grass, not a native english speaker, assuming it means telling on/ratting out?). I just think with sample based music people like to discuss samples, seems like just one side of the music that people might want to talk about.