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I think the point is that those parables don't set out to condone that kind of behaviour.
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I think the point is that those parables don't set out to condone that kind of behaviour.
nomadthethird
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Which ones?
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tax collector, leper, prostitute
Let he who is without sin cast the first stone and all that...
nomadthethird
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First of all, Jesus hung out with some former tax collectors, prostitutes, etc.
But as you immediately see with any religious person, they will pick and choose verses that suit their purposes. And there are always verses that suit a misogynist's purposes in the Bible. Or a homophobe's.
I don't have much use for a book like that.
If it were any other work of literature that had homophobic language in it, you'd throw it out, or at very least you wouldn't hold it up as sacred writ. But it's ok if it's the Bible!!!
No. way. That's preposterous.
But as you immediately see with any religious person, they will pick and choose verses that suit their purposes. And there are always verses that suit a misogynist's purposes in the Bible. Or a homophobe's.
I don't have much use for a book like that.
If it were any other work of literature that had homophobic language in it, you'd throw it out, or at very least you wouldn't hold it up as sacred writ. But it's ok if it's the Bible!!!
No. way. That's preposterous.
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Yes - and Christians might also pick and choose their verses to fit purposes similar to yours, nomad!
'Throwing it out' is a bit moot - if the Bible is the Word of God, then the believer must attempt to digest it whatever might be the message. If it isn't, those parts deemed unacceptable can be pruned and the rest taken as a work of literature.
I think it would be a little presumptious to decide that just because the Bible disagrees with what I think that it can't be the word of God.
In any case, the controversial stuff is nearly all Old Testament and that was superseded by the decidedly soft-focus sequel.
'Throwing it out' is a bit moot - if the Bible is the Word of God, then the believer must attempt to digest it whatever might be the message. If it isn't, those parts deemed unacceptable can be pruned and the rest taken as a work of literature.
I think it would be a little presumptious to decide that just because the Bible disagrees with what I think that it can't be the word of God.
In any case, the controversial stuff is nearly all Old Testament and that was superseded by the decidedly soft-focus sequel.
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nomadthethird
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Oh.
So God is a violent, bigoted asshole?
I thought earlier in the discussion you were trying to blame the deficiencies in Biblical logic on the culture of the times in which it was written...
Excuse my confusion.
So God is a violent, bigoted asshole?
I thought earlier in the discussion you were trying to blame the deficiencies in Biblical logic on the culture of the times in which it was written...
Excuse my confusion.
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You're quite the literalist - therefore post New Testament refs?
nomadthethird
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I'm talking about the New Testament too. I don't see much of a difference.
I don't come to bring peace but a sword.
I don't come to bring peace but a sword.
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Where, where?
nomadthethird
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Matthew 10:34
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Was anybody chopped down by Jesus' metaphorical sword?
nomadthethird
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I know the Bible backward and forward.
I used to do something called "Bible drill" in my friend's baptist church.
You had to have all the books of the bible memorized in order backward and forward and how many pages each was in different translations.
When they called out a verse, you had too be able to open your Bible directly to that verse as quickly as possible. The first person who found it got to recite it. The person who found the most the fastest won.
I used to do something called "Bible drill" in my friend's baptist church.
You had to have all the books of the bible memorized in order backward and forward and how many pages each was in different translations.
When they called out a verse, you had too be able to open your Bible directly to that verse as quickly as possible. The first person who found it got to recite it. The person who found the most the fastest won.
nomadthethird
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Jesus' followers like to stir up controversy and incite violent revolution. They were the original trolls.
The martyr complex.
The martyr complex.
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The thing is that line doesn't mean much without context.
But you're right - Jesus came down to earth tooled up with heavy weaponry, ready to dismember non-believers.
The 'peace be with you' stuff - that was just his PR department's idea.
But you're right - Jesus came down to earth tooled up with heavy weaponry, ready to dismember non-believers.
The 'peace be with you' stuff - that was just his PR department's idea.
nomadthethird
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Uh YES. That's my whole point.
nomadthethird
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The thing is that line doesn't mean much without context.
But you're right - Jesus came down to earth tooled up with heavy weaponry, ready to dismember non-believers.
The 'peace be with you' stuff - that was just his PR department's idea.
Jesus didn't say "peace be with you" that's just Catholic liturgy.
nomadthethird
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Did you know that Jesus preached more about hell than anyone else in the Bible?
In fact, before Jesus, "hell" didn't really exist as such? Jews don't believe in hell.
In fact, before Jesus, "hell" didn't really exist as such? Jews don't believe in hell.
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And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them. Jesus came, while the gates were shut [Jesus came, the gates shut], and stood in the middle, and said, Peace to you. John 20:26
nomadthethird
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Ok. But "Peace be with you" is different, that's just Catholic liturgy.
Jesus was always telling the disciples to calm down...
Jesus was always telling the disciples to calm down...
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Humans don't deal with admissions to Hell - that's the divine look-out.
'Judge not lest you be judged' etc