Where have the UFOs gone?

swears

preppy-kei
Interesting doc on the other night about the theory that instead of covering up the presence of alien visitors, US intelligence was encouraging the idea to fool the commies while they test out all the cool new shit they've built with 50% of the GDP of the biggest economy in the world.
 

slowtrain

Well-known member
Interesting doc on the other night about the theory that instead of covering up the presence of alien visitors, US intelligence was encouraging the idea to fool the commies while they test out all the cool new shit they've built with 50% of the GDP of the biggest economy in the world.

yeah, i saw a doco that proposed something to this effect as well, its thing was that the cattle mutillations and the reports of UFO's and the likes were done by and encouraged by the US military, so people wouldn't twig onto all the new technology they were trying out, and anyone who did see it would be written off as a bit loony... Hence why there are hardly any alien sightings post cold war
 

Mr. Tea

Let's Talk About Ceps
All the cattle mutilations are downwind of areas used for surface nuclear tests in the '50s. And the parts of the cows that are removed are inevitably the soft tissues that are exactly the body parts you'd look at if you were interested in the uptake of heavy isotopes. There's one screamingly obvious conclusion here.

The idea that 'wacky' theories like alien visitors might be propagated by government agencies to distract from more mundane but nonetheless nefarious or alarming activities is something I've toyed with before...a sort of reverse-conspiracy theory?
 

nochexxx

harco pronting
apologies for the gruesome image. the victim apparently suffered from 'vital reactions'. :eek:
i've linked the article to the jpeg if wanna know more.



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nochexxx

harco pronting
Travis Walton grilled on some suspicious american game show.

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nochexxx

harco pronting
really weird stuff, this animal mutilation lark. a few months ago, this global phenomenon reached Sussex. a horse was mutilated with the usual mutilation hallmarks – precision cuts, blood drained, rectum cored, parts removed, no blood surrounding the animal etc really good documentary here, which shows footage and thorough examination of the carcass 48 hours after it was killed.
 

Mr. Tea

Let's Talk About Ceps
The 'original' cattle-mutilation phenomenon in the American midwest (assuming that is the first recorded place it's happened, I guess) is interesting in that, as a phenomenon, you can't not believe in it, because the mutilated cow corpses are there for all to see, and also because there's a surprisingly prosaic although actually pretty sinister explanation for it. I saw this doc a few years ago that showed that pretty much all the mutilation hotstpots are downwind of places where above-ground nuclear testing went on in the '50s and early '60s - the prevalence of mutilations and the locations of atmospheric test sites were shown on a map, and the correlation was pretty remarkable. The parts of the animals that are invariably described as missing - lips, tongue, digestive tract, reproductive organs and udders - are exactly those tissues with fast-reproducing cells that naturally absorb heavy elements from the environment the most readily, and are exactly the tissues scientists would want to look at if they were monitoring the exposure of large mammals to radioisotopes. So the case that clandestine operations have been carried out to investigate the effects of nuclear testing on 'large mammals' - on the basis that it's easier to get away with killing and butchering cows than humans - pretty much makes itself. The teenage X-Files fan in me almost wants to add that the alleged connection between cattly mutilations and 'UFOs' in the public mind could even have been deliberately encouraged by Thee Powers That Be in order to distract attention from the obvious culpability of agents of the US military.

But as for weird shit happening to horses in Sussex...fuck knows. East Anglians, eh?

Edit: repeating myself from May, duh. But you get the point.
 
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nochexxx

harco pronting
i certainly believe (in some cases at least) the government encourages and creates their own ufo reports. i can't think of a better way to lead the public away from secret ops projects. Mark Pilkington's latest book Mirage Men explores this idea in more depth. amusingly I discovered Rich Hall (who produced Silent Killers in Sussex ), now believes Mr Pilkington is on MI5's payroll. :cool:
if it is the government i would love to know how they seemingly able to mutilate without ever being caught. annoyingly there's the obligatory media blackout, which reports these acts as being carried out by local nutters.
 

Mr. Tea

Let's Talk About Ceps
The doc I saw about the mutilations implied that the US military/secret ops people have access to these special helicopters that can run virtually in silence. If you had one of these, it'd be dead easy to swoop down on some rancher's land, pinch a couple of steers, do diabolical things to them in the safety of the chopper (hence the absence of blood and other mess where the carcasses are found) and then simply chuck them out when you're done. With helicopters you can barely hear unless you're right next to them, and the whole exercise conducted at night, the only thing people would ever see apart from the dead cattle are the ubiquitous 'mysterious lights' -> OMG ALIENS!!!1
 

nochexxx

harco pronting
The doc I saw about the mutilations implied that the US military/secret ops people have access to these special helicopters that can run virtually in silence. If you had one of these, it'd be dead easy to swoop down on some rancher's land, pinch a couple of steers, do diabolical things to them in the safety of the chopper (hence the absence of blood and other mess where the carcasses are found) and then simply chuck them out when you're done. With helicopters you can barely hear unless you're right next to them, and the whole exercise conducted at night, the only thing people would ever see apart from the dead cattle are the ubiquitous 'mysterious lights' -> OMG ALIENS!!!1

the bit of this i don't get, is why leave the carcass back on the ground? all things considered it just creates more fuss.
 

Mr. Tea

Let's Talk About Ceps

nochexxx

harco pronting
I imagine they just can't be arsed disposing of the carcasses in secret, and dump them on the ground out of a general sense of being above the law and "what's anyone gonna do about it?". And anyway, it was the little green men, right?
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added to which, if you were doing multiple mutilations on the same night, you probably wouldn't want a chopper full of dead cows. :slanted:
 

nochexxx

harco pronting
i spent some of yesterday looking at the first video that surfaced. here's some footage supposedly shot from another two witnesses.

 

lanugo

von Verfall erzittern
After some months of research, stemming from an initially mild fascination with the topic that was boosted, among other things, by this thread, I've become convinced of the reality of the UFO phenomenon. It seems to me, that an open-minded consideration of the plethora of data - tens or houndreds of thousand eye-witness accounts of UFO sightings by the general public, countless testimonies of highly credible and well-trained airline and military pilots reporting aircraft that can only be described as alien and non-terrestrial, declassified government files proving a strong and ongoing military interest in the phenomenon, etc. - must lead to the recognition that there have been non-human artefacts in our skies for decades or even centuries which cannot be accounted for within our current scientific paradigm and for which an extraterrestrial origin is the most plausible and rational explanation.

I was quite overwhelmed by the wealth of well-documented cases that, if you're really willing to look at them and disregard the urban myth stigma attached to them, turn out to be quite compelling evidence not only for an ET presence on earth but also for a massive government cover-up of this very fact. I guess by now most people will already have declared me a crackpot with an unhealthy penchant for weed and the X-Files, but I couldn't care less about the prejudices of an ignorant, dumbed down and mind-controlled public. How did Nietzsche say: "Madnesss is rare in individuals but in groups, parties, nations, and ages it is the rule." I've looked into the subject matter and there's no denying that there've been many incidents for which there is no "natural explanation" and which simply cannot explained in any conventional way. I mean, there's mass UFO sightings by entire villages, former US military personnel telling of UFOs disabling all the rockets at a nuclear weapon site (official documents confirm this), a whole history of radar sightings of unknown aerial craft in NATO airspace during the cold war, military pilots from all nations sent off to intercept those damn things who report of close encounters with objects that behaved in a way no man-made aircraft possibly could (impossible speeds, turns at right angles, instant acceleration), sonar recordings of underwater objects as big as an aircraft carrier moving at a couple of Machs, and the list goes on and on. These phenomena are real.

I've also come to the conclusion that what "theorists" and "critics" have labelled "post-modernity" is not, as they argue, some kind of final stage of cultural development resulting from the historical and technological constellations of modernity, i.e. some kind of fatality that has come over mankind, but rather a global psy ops operation of an unprecedented scale by the powers that be. Hyper-materialism, mass media stultification, dissemination of propaganda in peace time by means of PR and advertising - have you heard of Edward Bernays? -, implementation of biopolitical and eugenical measures, the blurring of the boundaries between the concepts of man and machine, the massification and stereotyping of culture and the overall homogenization of society are all part of a mind-control agenda, that is possibly entangled in some way or other with the cover-up of the UFO phenomenon.

One example for how our perception and consciousness are being forced to conform to the dictation of a censored consensus reality is the way in which the entertainment industry, especially Hollywood, has habitualised us to expect to encounter extraordinary and "larger-than-life" events only in the cinema. We are so used to the fictionalization of unlikely and unbelievable occurrences that, if we are actually witness to them in real life, we are speechless and the first thing that comes to our mind is to say that "this is like out of a movie" (a phrase which, by the way, was probably the single most uttered statement on September 11th). But actually it's the other way around, what's in the movies initially came from reality. Even if there are lots of movies that are purely fantastical expressions of human imagination, one should not be oblivious to the fact that cinema started as medium intented to represent reality. I often find it quite astonishing that we, as consumers of cinematic entertainment products, are perfectly capable of suspending our disbelief in order to uncritically immerse ourselves in scenarios whose irreality our rational mind is very much aware of. How does that work? And doesn't the ability of the human consciousness to take an illusion as a reality imply a kind of complementary ability or rather susceptibility to take a reality as an illusion?

It is precisely this latter human weakness which the engineers of post-modernity capitalise on: Evidence of the UFO phenomenon is widely available, it is undeniable that events have occurred that are so incredible and unusual and potentially world-shattering as to appear movie-like and the general public, being conditioned by their media consumption to regard such events as fictitious by nature, perceive actual facts and reports as mere pop culture items. Perfidious, but quite ingenious, isn't it? The most recent example of this kind of manipulation is upcoming blockbuster Sci-Fi alien invasion movie "Battle of Los Angeles" which is based on an actual UFO mass sighting in LA during WWII. A brightly, colourfully glowing orb appeared over the city, hovered around, was fired at by a massive array of anti-aircraft cannons, remained unscathed and abruptly vanished in a blink of an eye. There was quite a bit of collateral damage because of the AA projectiles, yet the military declared something along the lines of "there was nothing in the sky that night". Well, the techniques of desinformation have evolved, and rather than to outright deny and suppress unwanted information it has proven to be more effective to intermingle the actual with the fictitious so as to make the two indistinguishable.

Anyway, anyone interested in good introductions to the subject should watch the excellent 2001 documentary "Out of the Blue" by James Fox or the superb lecture "The Exopolitical Revolution" given by Stephen Bassett and then make up their own mind.

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Sick Boy

All about pride and egos
Looks like a fake to me.

I'd have to agree given the alternative is that it is an alien in a flying saucer. :D

Re: The above post. Given our data based on our explorations of the universe to date, the probability that there is a planet formed under the apparently extremely rare and complex conditions that formed our own, whose history proceeded in such a way - amongst the infinite possible ways it might - to not only produce intelligent life, but intelligent life that then proceeded - amongst the infinite possible ways it might - to develop technology sufficient to travel the incomprehensibly vast distances of space, such that they would discover our particular rare and peculiar planet, and discover there the existence of rare and peculiar intelligent life is so incredibly low, I'd say withholding assent is the most reasonable approach. The credibility of witness testimony is pretty much always compromised by the fact their falsity is more probable, owing to various things like the small numbers of people they are attributed to, potential vested interest in lying, and the more obvious tip-off that most people who see UFOs are men named Billy-Sue who live on cow farms in Arkansas. ;)
 
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