Where have the UFOs gone?

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massrock

Well-known member
I thought this one was quite interesting.


It's the way it zooms off. I mean, I've seen that, it's quite striking.
 
Z

zhao

there are no accidents
^^ mother rejoined by 2 scout pods, reconfigures for mobility, and take off with the other pod.

what's so strange about that.
 
Mr. Tea

Mr. Tea

Let's Talk About Ceps
polystyle desu said:
Looking up ... http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/19/world/europe/19saucers.html?ref=europe
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NYT said:
And the documents acknowledge that of the 11,000 U.F.O. reports logged between 1959 and 2007, about 10 percent could not be readily explained. That does not necessarily suggest that 1,100 flying saucers were sighted, the Air Ministry explained early in that period.
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Well durr, that would be stupid. It's probably just a few dozen flying saucers sighted multiple times. :p
 
sufi

sufi

lala
bumped into gary mckinnon again the other evening up here in n13, he seemed a most polite gent,
but soory all, i forgot to ask him Where have the UFOs gone?
 
nochexxx

nochexxx

harco pronting
the UFO's and its pilots are quite clearly in Alison Kruse's back garden. check this video and look at it closely at 1:50 secs.

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nochexxx

nochexxx

harco pronting

perhaps this version will help. someone from youtube has spotted the same entity.

if you skip forward a bit there's an insightful interview with Alison here. she explains in detail what was going on in that particular scene; interestingly she didn't notice what she was filming at the time and according to her the guy rambling around in the forest is a police constable.
 
Z

zhao

there are no accidents
rather narrow minded and childishly silly if you ask me

Scientists weigh in on Hawking's alien warning
Some agree with the physicist's argument that we should avoid them, a few are sharply critical – and one sent a limerick.

Famed physicist Stephen Hawking set off chatter in the scientific community in late April when he posited the existence of intelligent aliens on his new TV series, "Into the Universe with Stephen Hawking" —adding that it would be best for human beings to avoid contact with them.

Hawking speculated that such aliens would likely be nomads, living in ships after sucking their own planet dry of resources, and hopping from one interstellar refueling station to the next. Earth, he said, shouldn't do anything to encourage their visit.

"If aliens ever visit us, I think the outcome would be much as when Christopher Columbus first landed in America, which didn't turn out very well for the Native Americans," he said.

Hawking has made such statements for years — in a 1996 essay, for example, he said humans should be "wary of answering [aliens]" until our species has become more sophisticated.



Though most of the show focused on what alien life — even very primitive alien life — might look like, it was the comment on alien invasion that captured public attention.

The Journal of Cosmology compiled responses from a dozen scientists and has published them online. Some criticized Hawking's use of human behavior to predict what aliens would do, but others said that human behavior was a reasonable yardstick. Few, however, questioned the premise of Hawking's statements — that alien life forms probably exist and we are likely someday to encounter them.

You can read the commentaries at journalofcosmology.com/Aliens100.html. Here's some what the scientists had to say.

Blair Csuti, a biologist at Oregon State University, defended Hawking's trepidation, arguing that the principles of evolution would have shaped those beings just as they did life on Earth, selecting for self-preserving behavior. "Aliens visiting newly discovered planets, like Earth, would place their own interests above those of unsophisticated indigenous residents."

Robert Ehrlich, a physicist at George Mason University agreed, further imagining that the aliens would be "adaptable robots whose mental processes reflect those of their senders."

Others, like Chandra Wickramasinghe of Cardiff University in the United Kingdom and B.G. Sidharth at the B.M. Birla Science Centre in India, took a more low-tech view of alien invasions. They argued that the threat would come not from green people with fancy tasers, but pathogenic microbes that could infect life on Earth.

"When Columbus was followed by the Spanish conquistadors, it was not advanced weaponry which destroyed the native civilizations, but disease," Sidharth wrote.

Randy D. Allen, a biologist at Oklahoma State University, argued that a smart-enough species could develop a quantum computer and eventually transfer their consciousnesses into it.

"No more inefficient metabolism requiring huge energy input, no chemically derived bodies to wear out, no reproduction, no death, no taxes. Just supermassively parallel collective consciousness with unlimited capabilities," he wrote. "Perhaps, through super symmetry or entanglement, they can "see" or "feel" the entire universe. Maybe, they've gained the ability to manipulate elementary particles and can control its evolution and its fate. They would have become, by any human definition, Gods."

GianCarlo Ghirardi, a physicist at the University of Trieste in Italy, questioned why intelligent aliens should have any negative intentions toward earthlings at all. "If Hawking's aliens are anything like humans, then I am optimistic, in a certain sense, that their scientific development should be accompanied also by an ethical development, and [they] might value life," he wrote.

Stephen Freeland, an astrobiologist at the University of Hawaii, didn't spend his time wondering whether invading aliens would be antagonistic or not. Instead, he blasted Hawking for speaking out of turn.

"Scientific knowledge is quite different from the authoritatively-voiced opinions of a famous scientist," he wrote, adding that the annual Astrobiology Science Conference ran the same week as Hawking's TV program. "I doubt that any of [the astrobiologists] will be opining about the origin and early evolution of the universe as if professor Hawking's field of science did not exist," he said.

The most whimsical reaction was also the shortest — a limerick, courtesy of biologist John Menninger of the University of Iowa:

Aliens, as perceived by Hawking
Could soon visit Earth for some gawking.
They might do good, but Oy!,
They might wish to destroy!
We'll more likely be bored by their talking."

amina.khan@latimes.com
Copyright © 2010, The Los Angeles Times
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http://www.latimes.com/news/science/la-sci-hawking-aliens-20100508,0,757774.story
 
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nomadthethird

nomadthethird

more issues than Time mag
I saw plenty of flying objects in the night sky that I couldn't identify growing up. But then, I grew up near Fort Drum, the military base that sent troops to Desert Storm (10th mountain division, army).

It's definitely possible that there's life on other planets. I'd be shocked if life of some kind hadn't evolved elsewhere. The universe is fucking enormous.

But the idea that if life elsewhere is still there (and hasn't become extinct yet) that it's very advanced, or anything like us, is rather dubious. I'd bet there are plenty of planets with climates that sustain archaeans and bacteria and algae blooms and such, but not a lot of them with huge ecosystems full of species.

Carl Sagan posed the interesting question: what if there are silicon-based life forms on other planets? They'd be like distant cousins of computers!

P.S. Nochexx, that video looks like someone just looking through some trees at some sunlight using an infrared camera, or more likely, post-production "infrared" fx.

P.P.S. This thread makes me nostalgic for when I used to watch MST3K with my brother.
 
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sufi

sufi

lala
grizzleb

grizzleb

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Hahah, that reads like a parody of Stephen Hawking, and try and read it without hearing it in a computer voice.

hawking said:
If I had a time machine I'd visit Marilyn Monroe in her prime
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Hahahaha.
 
nochexxx

nochexxx

harco pronting
Greer response to Hawking comment

Steven Greer:

It is unfortunate that Stephen Hawking has added his voice to a growing chorus of xenophobia and fear regarding what he terms “Aliens.”

Secondly, as a scientist, he should know better: Any interstellar civilization would possess such technologies that the meager resources of Earth would be unneeded. If you can travel faster than the speed of light, you can manifest what is needed. Period. Moreover, IF they were hostile- since ETs are already visiting Earth (see www.DisclosureProject.org)- this would have been made crystal clear when we detonated the first atomic weapon in 1945. To date, no place on Earth has been invaded or attacked or colonized.

Hawking should refrain from stirring the war-mongering fear pot that attends all things “alien.” And one might ask: Why would he make such statements, unless he is carrying water for the military-industrial-financial complex which profiteers off of the wars that fear breeds?

Steven M. Greer MD
April 26, 2010
 
nochexxx

nochexxx

harco pronting
nomadthethird said:
P.S. Nochexx, that video looks like someone just looking through some trees at some sunlight using an infrared camera, or more likely, post-production "infrared" fx.
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after watching many of her videos i seriously doubt that. these things fly, land, morph, take off and sometimes shine beams.
 
Mr. Tea

Mr. Tea

Let's Talk About Ceps
Steven M. Greer MD said:
Hawking should refrain from stirring the war-mongering fear pot that attends all things “alien.” And one might ask: Why would he make such statements, unless he is carrying water for the military-industrial-financial complex which profiteers off of the wars that fear breeds?
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Yeah, Prof. Hawking, that well-known spokesman for BAE Systems. :slanted:
 
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