Beyond Soul.
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pattycakes_
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Jesus, you go for a 3hr walk through a jungle trying to catch a toucan to send to lord lukan and when you come back piggy's been brained and all hell's broken loose. Calm down the lot of you. Its crossed wires. Someone get the conch and get this once great thread back on track
yyaldrin
in je ogen waait de wind
“In the air-ship —” He broke off, and she fancied that he looked sad. She could not be sure, for the Machine did not transmit nuances of expression. It only gave a general idea of people — an idea that was good enough for all practical purposes, Vashti thought. The imponderable bloom, declared by a discredited philosophy to be the actual essence of intercourse, was rightly ignored by the Machine, just as the imponderable bloom of the grape was ignored by the manufacturers of artificial fruit. Something “good enough” had long since been accepted by our race.
I know that. But what I'm saying has a concrete context. when I talk about middle class journalist trap I'm not shitting out of my arse. In leeds I had to go to those parties because A) I had friends there and B) not many people wanted to go to the weirder clubs or help me out with security and ting not letting me in. Like, it's not a value judgment for me it's an observable fact.
I was saying the *ghetto flash* discourse that subconsciously underpins a lot of assumptions on dissensus is outmoded. there isn't really that separation anymore. maybe with the exception of UK drill and that's practically it. So yeah, like concrete and electronic classical was posh peoples music and still is to an extent. but so what. no honestly proletarian music exists now. Ja Rule was as middle class as they come.
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the idea that any of us jaded connoisseurs have the faintist idea of most peoples music consumption habits outside of latin rap and capital xtra is what is holding us back here. none of us do with the exception of crowley who follows 2010s hh/rnb deeply. let's acknowledge our atomisation and we can move on. noone is more or less in touch.
pattycakes_
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Wasn't it blissblogg who said that funk thing first?
To be honest the more I read this forum the more I realise I'm a missfit with you much more educated/intellectual/progressive types. I had to Google political reactionary. I see its basically conservatism, because I think some of the old ways are better. Guess what? Guilty as charged. And I have no desire to improve. I'm probably flawed in many more ways to when it comes to an academic/intellectual approach to enjoying art. I either like it or not, and it just so happens that I tend to like a lot of older music. It does what I want music to do. So no need to apologise at all. It's not in my interest to convert you to my way of thinking, and I respect your values and much more considered approach to it all. But that just doesn't do it for me.
But, while on my walk today I came to a point of clarity on what it is I actually believe about all this. Ultimately, I'm pragmatic when it comes to music. If it works it works. I don't care when, where or who it's from. The less I know the better tbh. I just like listening to it, dancing to it, and when the time comes letting go, not caring about everyone around me, breaking into a sweat and forgetting the fucked up world we're stuck in. This is a beautiful thing to feel. Escapist? Absolutely.
The soul thing is an important element which makes it much easier to do all of the above.
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luka
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I said you both do that to each other. I think the characteristic third move is an attempt to 'unmask' barty (as a teenage dubstep fan or what have you) and the characteristic barty move is to try and undermine thirds aesthetics/politics/identity (dungeons and dragons. Middle class. Robocock. Student) im not hugely concerned about all this because unlike other dissensus spats I think there's genuine affection underlying the sibling rivalry and bickering but it is annoying.
It would be nice third if you played with us more when we're trying to be clever. Maybe you think, like a lot o people (craner, leo, eden etc) that we're not half as smart as we think we are. But in that case explain where we are going wrong.
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sadmanbarty
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sorry, i deleted them before reading this.
I don't really read anything these days either. it's too much effort. I've been meaning to dig into prynn but I'm at the pits mentally that I can't use my imagination for poetry. it happens.
no it's more that i have nothing to say. Like Yeats just passes me by. and I've heard gravity's rainbow is a hard book. I'm too exhausted for hard books. at least, that kind of hard. hard non-fiction is still alright though.
A lo of my stuff is defence mechanisms rather than being literarily clever. It's something that I probably ain't been able to get across on this forum. I'm no wu-tang clan. I'm a bumbling mess. I don't have anywhere near the ego of racial empowerment. it takes a lot lot to offend me but I can get sad insanely quickly. which what this was more than offence, i was not really offended in the slightest.
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luka
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Well that's probably true for me to a large extent. I mean, of course it is. I'm completely uneducated. I cover up insecurities with bravado like lots of us do. Who wants to feel exposed? But I don't mind taking the risk of TRYING to think, even if it looks stupid or gauche to the truly educated.
And this is what I meant by bourgeois values, the values of the truly educated. I'm a dilettante, I have no discipline, my brain is like an organ grinder, I'll read something and make an irrelevant connection that isn't supposed to be made. but I suppose in a way that is revolutionary. it just comes across as inane to most. Whereas corpse could probably navigate a ph.d conference. The way I would navigate it wouldn't be approved of. that's all what I meant by calling things bourgeois, not that working class people listen to back street boys and little else.
What I like about bliss' posts is that he explains hese sorts of concepts in a language that is closer to ours. maybe because he went raving at awol or spoke to a lot of post-punk autodidacts. who knows.
But the hardest thing for people to understand about autodidactism is here's no feedback. sometimes you just hit a point of utter exhaustion and there's .. nothing there. you just collapse into yourself. where as if your mates or social circle are literati types or even if you're studying at a uni that dynamic perhaps operates slightly differently. I dunno, I can hardly remember my brief time at uni. I have no degree to my name or anything.
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like i knew an essex lad who was into jack kerouak and wrote his dissertation on him. But everyone else I've met who is a literature buff I end up hating them with an intense passion. It's like, they won't even throw you a bone. I'm not a Zadie Smith, I ain't been to Cambridge and eradicated my north london accent entirely.
the literature thing I find people always seem to take it out of its social context. I like it because x author and X book reflects the accelerated hyper real times we live in. well so can indie rock. There's little aesthetic judgment and people default to stands of good prose, complexity and story structures. It's like, I see a world of difference when I compare the music forum to the lit forum here. in music everyone is ruthless. I like it's sprawling writing just won't fly here.