Thrive in '95 - Jungle's zenith

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blissblogger

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Discogs insists 1994 but i associate this with 95 (and i see firefinga has it listed at discogs in a folder or playlist or something as jungle/DnB 1995) and it feels 95

love the B-line(s) and the way it sort of chug-waddles along with that choppy butchers block beat
 
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the one kind of classic-era (ie pre-neurofunk decline and fall forever and ever running on the spot) jungle/D&B that i never ever feel like listening to these days is the sort of very taut, hard as nails D&B with the hip hop gangsta samples

what would you call that? rollers? jump up? i dunno, anyway that does seem very dry and joyless now, with a few exceptions.

a Kenny Ken set circa late 95 - something like that - no thanks!

would rather listen to a wishy-washy Looking Good / Looking Good type track, if not quite going as far as, euch, liquid funk

this tune though (disproving the Aquasky = spawn of devil position, since he was a member), i always loved


reminds me of 10cc
 
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blissblogger said:
and this one actually is from 1995
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I think we've discussed this before, but thats one of the few of his tunes I like. I used to get mercilessly slagged for playing it... the piano lick has the air of incidental music from an 80's Sunday arts show - but there's some inexplicable attraction around the vocal.
 
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thirdform

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like i haven't listened to that bailey tape so there could be some horrid sax solo half way through it but stop being so english corpse in london we do like a fair bit of the jazzfunksoul vibe, thank you very much. i'm trying to break the mould here and talk about standardisation. most deep jungle got shit around 97, but most tearout got shit around late 95/96. you can't just isolate it like a chemical ingredient can you. its a bit frustrating.
 
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thirdform

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we're allowed to have some sophistication not everything has to meet the criteria of fulfilling a cambridge fantasy of a crack smoker in Brixton lol.

the stuff i really hate is stuff like krust brief encounters. winebar sax wwashes over a 2step beat. the absolute worst. that killed jungle for me more than techstep. peshay also made some atrocious tunes in that mould.

the last day off that same ep is amazing though, all sorts of bleepy bloop electronic squirts.

 
Corpsey

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TBF though you've not even listened to the mix so what can I say? Maybe it would fit the bill of that krust tune? I know I've not listened to stuff you've posted so maybe I deserve a taste of my own medicine.

I wouldn't say all the jungle I like is Rastafarian crack music. I like rewind by crystl. The crane by source direct. Angels fell. Etc. I even like a lot of jazzy tunes. But I wouldn't say some of that stuff has aged particularly well.
 
Corpsey

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There was tepid jazz rap too, but then there was Pete Rock. I don't mean to say Pete Rock is shit. I can see it might look like I am.
 
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Corpsey said:
TBF though you've not even listened to the mix so what can I say? Maybe it would fit the bill of that krust tune? I know I've not listened to stuff you've posted so maybe I deserve a taste of my own medicine.

I wouldn't say all the jungle I like is Rastafarian crack music. I like rewind by crystl. The crane by source direct. Angels fell. Etc. I even like a lot of jazzy tunes. But I wouldn't say some of that stuff has aged particularly well.
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Just glancing at the tracklist... only thing that actually looks digestible is the Boymerang.
 
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thirdform

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Corpsey said:
TBF though you've not even listened to the mix so what can I say? Maybe it would fit the bill of that krust tune? I know I've not listened to stuff you've posted so maybe I deserve a taste of my own medicine.

I wouldn't say all the jungle I like is Rastafarian crack music. I like rewind by crystl. The crane by source direct. Angels fell. Etc. I even like a lot of jazzy tunes. But I wouldn't say some of that stuff has aged particularly well.
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who cares if it has aged well or not. if you are going to judge music like that then you might as well just stick to a pitchfork top 100. and I heard the mix ages ago, it is primitive rising number 2 right? don't get me wrong i remember that mix being fairly pedestrian but thats kind of the nature of most dance music unfortunately after a certain point. a lot of garage just chugs along. i get the top 30 narritive is seductive, but it's not realistic.

I'm going to listen to the whole thing for you now.
 
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thirdform

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ok sorry corpse i take back what i said i just had a skim through and its chock full of sax bits i hate hate hate hate absolutely hate those kenny g type sax licks in 96 jungle i like it when they are used in an eerie fashion, when they are dubbed out, like that spider net awake tune on no u-turn, amazing use of sax.
 
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thirdform

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please forgive me. i just love floaty bongos to da max when they are done right so have an instinctive reaction against the cambridge anti-bongo massive.
 
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Corpsey said:
Is it a mystery why breakbeats died out not long after 95? Did people just get sick of them? Did 'Amen tear outs' become too intense or complicated for dancefloors? Was jump-up and then tech-step simply better fitted for dancefloors (the Darwinist victor)?
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Pulp Fiction was the big turning point, wasn't it?

Also, painting it in purely negative terms as being simpler, more predictable, easier to dance to etc always feels a bit reductive. There must come a point where the whole scene is going ruffer and ruffer and choppier and choppier where slicing all that away and paring the music down to the simplest form possible - whether it's a sophisticated roller or a jump-up bassline rinseout or a moody techstep trudgathon - is the most radical move going, even if in the long term you're steering the music to a less fertile ground.
 
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thirdform

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corpsey just forgive me so i can turn this off. i like smooth jazzfunksoul jungle but not with fucking sax I'll shove a fucking sax up your arsehole if we ever meet, then you will understand how much i hate smooth sax.
 
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thirdform

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apoplectic with rage now this is not a fun tease i'm going to make you an ottoman eunuch.

alright turning off consequences be damned.
 
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