UK EU Referendum Aftermath

[Mr. Tea]

Parliament will reject it, surely?

 

[DannyL]

All the nutters like Johnson so will probably get on board. I detest May but it's obvious she got loads more shit 'cos of her gender and desire to do things "properly" to some degree.

 

[baboon2004]

For sure - it's so depressingly predictable, and then somehow surprising because I forgot things could be this depressingly predictable. It's like one of those archetypal meeting situations where the man repeats exactly the same thing (or something a bit less good) as a woman said two minutes before. She received tumbleweed, and when he says it the room goes nuts.

 

[DannyL]

Diane Abbott is another high profile woman gets the same shit as well. Not a fan again (do respect her achievements though), but the barracking she receives sits ill with me.

Berger and Swinson seem to get disproportionate amounts of hate from the other direction that seems to me influenced by gender.

 

[luka]

For sure - it's so depressingly predictable, and then somehow surprising because I forgot things could be this depressingly predictable. It's like one of those archetypal meeting situations where the man repeats exactly the same thing (or something a bit less good) as a woman said two minutes before. She received tumbleweed, and when he says it the room goes nuts.

Well yes but the pertinent fact is that she was a remainer and the headbangers wanted one of their own in charge

 

[version]

Boris isn't really a leaver, but I guess he did a good job of positioning himself as one when he swiftly charged to the front of the already marching mob and told everyone to follow him.

 

[Mr. Tea]

Boris isn't inherently anything other than a Borisite. The theoretically ideal modern politician, in a sense.

 

[version]

That he drafted two articles prior to backing Brexit - one for leave, one for remain - about sums him up.

 

[Mr. Tea]

Well yes but the pertinent fact is that she was a remainer and the headbangers wanted one of their own in charge

A description I read of her, which rings true, is "an economic Remainer but a cultural Leaver" - i.e. pro-business but also unpleasantly insular, xenophobic, racist - think about the "hostile environment policy", the "go home" vans, Windrush scandal and the rest.

 

[version]

Your average Tory then.

 

[IdleRich]

Seriously what does everyone think is the chance of BJ getting his deal (a deal) through parliament and avoiding asking for an extension?
I think that seeing as he has to agree it properly with the EU, then get it through parliament and he has to do it all to an incredibly tight schedule then surely it's not possible. And I think that means he's gonna have to ask for an extension - they seem to have dropped all that bullshit about two letters and other loopholes - and I'm wondering how he's gonna spin that after categorically saying he wouldn't so many times.
Am I being optimistic here? Do people think a deal can be agreed in time?

 

[Mr. Tea]

Your average Tory then.

A few years ago I'd have agreed, but since the lunatic wing of the party took over, the typical Tory seems to be someone so wholly obsessed with the xenophobia/isolationist side of things that they don't even care about big foreign investors pulling out of the UK, for instance, which is quite out of keeping with mainstream Tory tendencies.

 

[version]

Isn't that because they think we're going to make loads of money outside the EU though? They dismiss all the economic predictions as 'project fear'.

 

[Mr. Tea]

Isn't that because they think we're going to make loads of money outside the EU though? They dismiss all the economic predictions as 'project fear'.

Nah, they may be wankers but I don't reckon most of them are actually that dim. It's the same with Trump in the USA - the "base" is now so utterly detached from reality that it's almost impossible for right-wing politicians (whatever they may 'really' feel about the issues) to lose by being too extreme. And unlike the USA, there is a party even further to the right which the main right-wing party is keen not to lose votes to. Add an opposition that's in a constant state of civil war and led by a man who has his own fanatical base but, outside of that base, is the least popular major politician in recent history, and you've pretty much got a perfect storm of cuntishness.

 

[IdleRich]

Well they've got a deal apparently

 

[luka]

That's the general election won too in that case

 

[baboon2004]

Yep. This will be grim.

 

[luka]

He's going to commission one of those triumphal arches they have in Berlin and Paris, the Boris Arch

 

[DannyL]

DUP aren't having it. How will it get through Parliament?
If this fails - fingers crossed - it could be curtains for Brexit I think.

 

[luka]

looks like game over Danny tbh. They'll just throw a zillion quid at the DUP if it comes to that. Fill your pockets lads but this is going through