luka

Well-known member
They often do. They often start with impeccable credentials. But the entire personality can change with time, does so, inevitably.
 

padraig (u.s.)

a monkey that will go ape
They often do. They often start with impeccable credentials. But the entire personality can change with time, does so, inevitably.
no I mean that's why the guiding principles have to be built in, you have to really believe in them

so that when everything else does inevitably change, you still have the north star to guide you

it's similar to that Deleuze thing about carrying a piece of ground with you, only with a more active moral dimension
 

constant escape

winter withered, warm
you have to have some guiding principles built in to prevent that kind of drift
My version of this is getting a tattoo of a palm with L O V E on the four fingers. An element of one of my grandmother's pieces. This way, any kind of lifestyle that can't reasonably be said to be rooted in love, would be framed as a sort of corporal hypocrisy. Contradicting what is literally etched into my body.

Learning from Burroughs, as well.
 

version

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My mate's ex had a tattoo of her grandma on her upper arm which I mistook for a tattoo of Lorraine Kelly. He pulled me aside and got really serious, but kept cracking up at the same time and told me never to say that near her as she'd be devastated.
 

sus

Moderator
It's interesting "Basquiat's overrated" is like standard artschool faire, not even a hot take
 

padraig (u.s.)

a monkey that will go ape
not to go on about this after this, but that stupid Watson thing really put me off

it's just crazy to me that 30+ years after his death there are still ppl who feel like they can totally separate Basquiat's intent and agency from his work

whether it's for negative or (nominally) positive reasons, either way with racial and heavily patronizing overtones - the Julian Schnabel biopic goes heavily in that direction, Basquiat as naive mystic genius

he was neither a naive art brut savant nor a graphic design hustler. he was a savvy dude whose work was deeply rooted in both Western art and black culture - both black history, modernity, including his own experience of blackness, and afrofuturism (cf his relationship w/Rammellzee) - who fully knew what he was up to.

like famous white artists are allowed to have influences but he only gets to have motifs

I do like to think that his success in the Art World - and that of ppl like stan's grandma - helped opened doors for ppl like Theaster Gates, Arthur Jafa, etc to be considered as fully formed artists with agency rather than as passive ciphers
 

padraig (u.s.)

a monkey that will go ape
My version of this is getting a tattoo of a palm with L O V E on the four fingers. An element of one of my grandmother's pieces. This way, any kind of lifestyle that can't reasonably be said to be rooted in love, would be framed as a sort of corporal hypocrisy. Contradicting what is literally etched into my body.
yeah that's a good one

I have UNITY tattooed on my chest. it's the very first tattoo I got, when I was 15 (yes, 100% from the Operation Ivy song). I was embarrassed by it for a long time but the older I get the more I think I unintentionally stumbled into exactly what you're describing, a guidepost etched onto the body - the meaning of "unity" not being exactly fixed but certainly overtones of racial unity, unity against kind of stupid artificially constructed barriers in general.
 
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