A Brooklyn Culture Mafia

[constant escape]

Makes me think of that party scene from Sorry to Bother You.

 

[luka]

There's lots of fun Hockney

 

[sus]

hahaha, really???

Yes, it was incredibly uncomfortable. One time it was a small coffee shop space—maybe 8-12 people, very intimate. I'm sitting on the floor, under a table, at 6'2", because it's a small space and I show up a little late, don't wanna take the last chair. Proceed to get shown a video about how white people take up space—a supreme bit of irony vis-a-vis essentializing—and then am asked to participate in a call-and-response where I say shit like "I am a white supremacist," "I need to make space for the black people that I and my ancestors have denigrated with structural racism," "I accept the black man's potent sexuality as superior to my own."

It was an exercise designed to be humiliating—classic s/m tropes—and was. I kept silent but my cheeks burned and I left afterward. Actually, my girlfriend at the time helped organize the event, which was why I was in attendance to begin with.

 

[vimothy]

and to think ppl deny that theres a religious element to all of this

 

[sus]

I guess in part the concept was turning around historic humiliation dynamics, and it gave me a visceral response which one can't say of many other works the VizArt scene puts out. So in some sense I can't fault it too hard, or might even admire it as an artwork.

But ethically it was repulsive.

 

[WashYourHands]

There's a gf element too. An out. Suspender was just there for the ride

 

[vimothy]

the ultimate surrealistic act, running down the street shooting ppl - a lesson not lost on our own jihadist cultural avant garde

 

[linebaugh]

Yes, it was incredibly uncomfortable. One time it was a small coffee shop space—maybe 8-12 people, very intimate. I'm sitting on the floor, under a table, at 6'2", because it's a small space and I show up a little late, don't wanna take the last chair. Proceed to get shown a video about how white people take up space—a supreme bit of irony vis-a-vis essentializing—and then am asked to participate in a call-and-response where I say shit like "I am a white supremacist," "I need to make space for the black people that I and my ancestors have denigrated with structural racism," "I accept the black man's potent sexuality as superior to my own."

It was an exercise designed to be humiliating—classic s/m tropes—and was. I kept silent but my cheeks burned and I left afterward. Actually, my girlfriend at the time helped organize the event, which was why I was in attendance to begin with.

have you ever been to a rocky horror production? where they make the newbies come up on stage before the movie and get pretend butt fucked by the cast members?

 

[luka]

the ultimate surrealistic act, running down the street shooting ppl - a lesson not lost on our own jihadist cultural avant garde

Vim, are you drunk again?

 

[sus]

the ultimate surrealistic act, running down the street shooting ppl - a lesson not lost on our own jihadist cultural avant garde

"I could shoot someone on 5th ave and get away with it" --a performance artist

 

[vimothy]

being knighted on stage by a double ended dildo at Bongo's bingo is the uk equivalent

 

[sus]

have you ever been to a rocky horror production? where they make the newbies come up on stage before the movie and get pretend butt fucked by the cast members?

Yes I've seen that but was myself clued-in enough not to volunteer myself when asked for first timers.

There's a tremendous pressure when an authority (performer) ropes in an audience member with the support of the crowd, a lot to leverage.

 

[vimothy]

Vim, are you drunk again?

I'm just making the obvious connections here luka, dont be a hater

 

[version]

I guess in part the concept was turning around historic humiliation dynamics, and it gave me a visceral response which one can't say of many other works the VizArt scene puts out. So in some sense I can't fault it too hard, or might even admire it as an artwork.

But ethically it was repulsive.

Did it turn you on though?

 

[sus]

It did not, I've only ever found submission hot in theory

 

[Leo]

Yes, it was incredibly uncomfortable. One time it was a small coffee shop space—maybe 8-12 people, very intimate. I'm sitting on the floor, under a table, at 6'2", because it's a small space and I show up a little late, don't wanna take the last chair. Proceed to get shown a video about how white people take up space—a supreme bit of irony vis-a-vis essentializing—and then am asked to participate in a call-and-response where I say shit like "I am a white supremacist," "I need to make space for the black people that I and my ancestors have denigrated with structural racism," "I accept the black man's potent sexuality as superior to my own."

It was an exercise designed to be humiliating—classic s/m tropes—and was. I kept silent but my cheeks burned and I left afterward. Actually, my girlfriend at the time helped organize the event, which was why I was in attendance to begin with.

LOL! that's not the art world, that's just a bunch of nitwits!

 

[padraig (u.s.)]

then am asked to participate in a call-and-response where I say shit like "I am a white supremacist," "I need to make space for the black people that I and my ancestors have denigrated with structural racism," "I accept the black man's potent sexuality as superior to my own."

well

I grant I'm not tapped into the New York Art World, but I was semi-regularly attending art stuff in a pretty great art city right up until COVID and it's so far from anything I've seen or heard of in the context of an "art event" that yeah idk. like it has zero bearing on any art-related scene I've ever been familiar with. the very small numbers make it seem more like an encounter group, or a workshop you might encounter at an antiracism conference (or more like, a satire of a workshop you might encounter at an antiracism conference).

 

[Leo]

sounds more like an SNL skit.

 

[Leo]

why are we even talking about these people?

 

[Leo]

comic relief?