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[mistersloane]

I like Young Buck's new single, http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=7781158
it's so generic and resonant of 'Like A Boss', yet totally works and the production is fucking great, I'm surprised. Absolutely nothing new and it sounds really proud of it.

Oh, it's a Tmbaland product, that's why it sounds so good lol.

 

[Poisonous Dart]

Well...

What did you think of the Kidz In The Hall? It's nice and that, but I can't help feeling they're should've been a little more...

It could've been even better but Naledge was working on his solo album damn near simultaneously. I thought "School Was My Hustle" was a dope ass album. One.

 

[polz]

alright, i took it to this thread, cause i think it belongs here.

Don't test me in matters of Hip Hop or the culture, ever. Ask around, you don't want it. One.

i'm old enough to remember when hiphop was exciting and about having fun. that changed around the same time that 'serious heads' and hiphop students like yourself, who think they own hiphop, arrived on the scene. in your posts you consequently show you're against all fun in hiphop: you're against crunk and stuff like the 2 live crew, and advocating all those conscious undie rappers, who are for the main part just self-rightheous bores.

I take hip hop seriously (we tend to do that). "One" has a real meaning behind it, one you wouldn't mock if you knew anything or had half a brain. Good luck with trying to be "funny". One.

i know one is for "one love", (which you claim is a common greeting in your surroundings, although other people from around chicago never seem to have heard of it). but strangely enough it seems more like you use it to underline that you are right at the end of your posts. it's not about love, it's about being right, and i suspect it's short for "knowledge reigns supreme over nearly everyone", cause you seem to be thinking that you're the king of hiphop knowledge, who will crush anybody who dares to challenge you. Couple this with your x-men avatar and the fact you talk about yourself in plurale ("we tend to do that"), and i get the suspicion there is some god-complex going on.

Anyway, it was people like you who made me leave hiphop behind to look for fun and excitement in other music (like grime). Please don't ruin that one as well. One.

 

[gumdrops]

this is kinda silly but i like it-
http://xxlmag.com/online/?p=7067
always wanted haddaway to get some hip hop love

then there are the two post-'my love' trancey tracks here posted up by noz at xxlmag
http://xxlmag.com/online/?p=7503

i like both
lol

the camron diss to 50 cent is rubbish IMO
i know camron usually has some interesting/stupidly entertaining lyrics but his flow is too lacksadacsical
the 50 track is better (video is dire though) but im sure the beat was used earlier, maybe on that 50 cent is the future album

the pitbull album is crap except for the uptempo dancey type tracks

i like the new mistah fab video a lot


im behind on thizz/hyphy stuff but im trying to catch up.

 

[Poisonous Dart]

Okaaaay....

alright, i took it to this thread, cause i think it belongs here.



i'm old enough to remember when hiphop was exciting and about having fun. that changed around the same time that 'serious heads' and hiphop students like yourself, who think they own hiphop, arrived on the scene. in your posts you consequently show you're against all fun in hiphop: you're against crunk and stuff like the 2 live crew, and advocating all those conscious undie rappers, who are for the main part just self-rightheous bores.



i know one is for "one love", (which you claim is a common greeting in your surroundings, although other people from around chicago never seem to have heard of it). but strangely enough it seems more like you use it to underline that you are right at the end of your posts. it's not about love, it's about being right, and i suspect it's short for "knowledge reigns supreme over nearly everyone", cause you seem to be thinking that you're the king of hiphop knowledge, who will crush anybody who dares to challenge you. Couple this with your x-men avatar and the fact you talk about yourself in plurale ("we tend to do that"), and i get the suspicion there is some god-complex going on.

Anyway, it was people like you who made me leave hiphop behind to look for fun and excitement in other music (like grime). Please don't ruin that one as well. One.

Wait up...so hip hop "used" to be fun and then all of a sudden some people decided to take it seriously and make it an artform and they ruined it? If that's how you feel than that's sad because to me that's when it got good. Just like when Motown was only about making hits and then all of a sudden artists start using music to make social commentary about what was going on in the world around them...that's the music I gravitate to and I won't apologize for that.

I'm not against fun in hip hop, nor am I against Bass, Crunk, Hyphy or Snap Music...I just don't care for it PERSONALLY. If you like it then that's on you. I wasn't into 2 Live Crew growing up, my preferences lied with Eric B. & Rakim, Boogie Down Productions, Ultramagnetic MC's, Stetsasonic, Brand Nubian, Poor Righteous Teachers, etc. Shit, my favorite movies as a kid were Mean Streets and Taxi Driver! I'm a serious person, fam. Sue me.

As for the "One" thing...I'm from Boston and it's STILL in regular usage here. As far as me thinking I know everything about hip hop, that's not entirely true. I'm not exactly who/what you think I am...as for the X-Men avatar...Uh, fam, my team is called Hellfire Club after the Hellfire Club that was the X-Men's main enemy. The issue in my avatar (#133) is the one where Wolverine has to fight the Hellfire Club by himself...it was the cover of our first mixtape back in 2004. You don't need to worry about me ruining Grime for you...you better hope Grime doesn't produce the equivalent of a KRS One or Chuck D and it gets all serious...otherwise you'll abandon IT just like you did hip hop.

Thanks for the attention, polz. I appreciate it greatly. One.

 

[petergunn]

the pitbull album is crap except for the uptempo dancey type tracks

shame on you for saying this w/o mentioning

a) there is a song that samples "rock lobster"

b) it is awesome


"ay chica" is one of the better club songs of this year...

 

[nomadologist]

if you said the pitbull album sucked aloud in my neighborhood you'd want to duck and run...ayyee

polz, all kinds of people say "one" in the U.S. it's mostly old school heads, but still. it's common. are you from here?

 

[Tactics]

Wait up...so hip hop "used" to be fun and then all of a sudden some people decided to take it seriously and make it an artform and they ruined it? If that's how you feel than that's sad because to me that's when it got good. Just like when Motown was only about making hits and then all of a sudden artists start using music to make social commentary about what was going on in the world around them...that's the music I gravitate to and I won't apologize for that.

I'm not against fun in hip hop, nor am I against Bass, Crunk, Hyphy or Snap Music...I just don't care for it PERSONALLY. If you like it then that's on you. I wasn't into 2 Live Crew growing up, my preferences lied with Eric B. & Rakim, Boogie Down Productions, Ultramagnetic MC's, Stetsasonic, Brand Nubian, Poor Righteous Teachers, etc. Shit, my favorite movies as a kid were Mean Streets and Taxi Driver! I'm a serious person, fam. Sue me.

As for the "One" thing...I'm from Boston and it's STILL in regular usage here. As far as me thinking I know everything about hip hop, that's not entirely true. I'm not exactly who/what you think I am...as for the X-Men avatar...Uh, fam, my team is called Hellfire Club after the Hellfire Club that was the X-Men's main enemy. The issue in my avatar (#133) is the one where Wolverine has to fight the Hellfire Club by himself...it was the cover of our first mixtape back in 2004. You don't need to worry about me ruining Grime for you...you better hope Grime doesn't produce the equivalent of a KRS One or Chuck D and it gets all serious...otherwise you'll abandon IT just like you did hip hop.

Thanks for the attention, polz. I appreciate it greatly. One.

wow - great last couple of lines lol and good points all round

= murkage

and Eric B, BDP and Brand Nubian (or hip-hop of this cloth) isn't about having fun? wtf?

most of the ppl I know...we all say one on the day to day and...we're in the UK

 

[gumdrops]

one is also hugely popular amongst maths students.

 

[nomadologist]

wow - great last couple of lines lol and good points all round

= murkage

and Eric B, BDP and Brand Nubian (or hip-hop of this cloth) isn't about having fun? wtf?

most of the ppl I know...we all say one on the day to day and...we're in the UK

So if people in the U.K. use it, I really find Polz' comments strange. I think Poisonous Darts' confidence and willingness to stand up for his own obviously vast amount of knowledge is something I'm starting to relate to, at least here on Dissensus. As Americans, it's odd to watch our popular culture get exported and then watch people from other cultures without an inside perspective (often) take those imports at face value and assume that they know a lot more about certain American phenomena than they do. Poisonous Dart's understanding of hip-hop and hip-hop culture, beyond his obviously impressive level of factual knowledge, is going to be *much more organic* than any European fan's. This isn't to say European/British people can't enjoy hip-hop, but there are going to be huge gaps in your understanding of the culture. I've seen the same apply here in detroit techno conversations, many different rock conversations, many different discussions of American culture.

I've also noticed that British scenes like grime are relatively small and close-knit, and the music industry/market on your side of the pond is NOWHERE NEAR as large and broad-based as ours. This means that in the U.S., hip-hop means a million things with a million different regional accents and inflections, and this is often underestimated by the Brits/Europeans here. The regionality of U.S. hip-hop is something you're just not going to understand if you're not from here, and trying to act as if you is (frankly) going to be pretty annoying to Americans.

I love hip-hop, but I'd never pretend that I know as much about it as someone who's been a participant in hip-hop as an MC for over a decade. I love grime, but I'd sure as hell never try to tell a British grime fan about grime slang.

 

[Tactics]

one is also hugely popular amongst maths students.

lol

 

[crackerjack]

one is also hugely popular amongst maths students.

Royals too.

 

[Poisonous Dart]

On and On.

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One.

 

[polz]

my preferences lied with Eric B. & Rakim, Boogie Down Productions, Ultramagnetic MC's, Stetsasonic, Brand Nubian, Poor Righteous Teachers, etc.

my preferences exactly (maybe add epmd, public enemy, schoolly d, mantronix, marley marl), this is what i mean by exciting and fun. so this remark

and Eric B, BDP and Brand Nubian (or hip-hop of this cloth) isn't about having fun? wtf?

is just a classic demagogue trick: say your opponent said something ridiculous, and then oppose him.

what i was refering to is the mid 90's, with rawkus, dj spinna, the turntablists, company flow, etc. and earlier on digable planets, the roots etc. and they killed a lot of fun. (as well as the ones that went for the big money).

 

[Eric]

Yeah. It seem this particular argument has been surfacing in many forms around here ...

I'm with polz & mms on this one. Why be a purist? I like most things mentioned around here, including the company flow stuff (in general). What I don't like is the `are you in or are you out' attitude that comes with a lot of it. I didn't come here to be `schooled.' I came to hear some good music and have a good time. That said, nothing precludes there being good content too---but good content doesn't consist of `I'm right, you're wrong.'

Or so it seems to me.

To paraphrase an old(ish) saying: I don't know what's `real hip-hop,' but I know what I like.

 

[nomadologist]

Yeah. It seem this particular argument has been surfacing in many forms around here ...

Not as often as the at this point incredibly tedious argument over whether conscious hip-hop is "better" or "worse" than 2 Live Crew and 50 Cent.

Of course you can like hip-hop without knowing what's "real hip-hop", but don't expect to make fun of an American who writes hip-hop and knows it like the back of his hand for using VERY COMMON hip-hop slang and not seem woefully uninformed.

 

[nomadologist]

oh goodness, and now we have Eric B and The Roots in different categories according to how "fun" they were and how they're not too serious...

polz you realize that you like what's often called "conscious hip-hop," too, right?

 

[mms]

oh goodness, and now we have Eric B and The Roots in different categories according to how "fun" they were and how they're not too serious...

polz you realize that you like what's often called "conscious hip-hop," too, right?

well different descriptive titles for hip hop are often only developed by journalists to identify different and occasionally actual strains or voices in hip hop are they not?
i can understand localised slang terms given by fans or artists for localised forms of hip hop but i don't unerstand how anyone could call me out for liking le juan love and krs one or common and the fedaration.

 

[polz]

oh goodness, and now we have Eric B and The Roots in different categories according to how "fun" they were and how they're not too serious...

polz you realize that you like what's often called "conscious hip-hop," too, right?

i'm talking about a general feeling in hiphop at different points in time, not about whether a specific artist belongs in a specific category. whatever you say, hiphop in the late 80's was more exciting and "fun" (shouldn't have used that word i guess, as it seems nobody is willing to see that i mean something else than the 2 live crew) than in the mid 90's, and this is related to how serious everybody was taking hiphop culture at that time (as afrika bambaata said in the source, which gumdrops quoted on the grime thread).

also:

As Americans, it's odd to watch our popular culture get exported and then watch people from other cultures without an inside perspective (often) take those imports at face value and assume that they know a lot more about certain American phenomena than they do.

...

The regionality of U.S. hip-hop is something you're just not going to understand if you're not from here, and trying to act as if you is (frankly) going to be pretty annoying to Americans.

So if i understand what you're saying this means: "Please only talk about music from your own country (or, even better, hometown) and time, for you know jackshit about anything else."

so we can end all discussion on this board about jamaican reggae (never seen anybody from that island on this board), blues and jazz (nobody over here is that old) and probably the sixties, african and latin american music, avant-classical, i think about 90 percent of music. it will go quiet over here.

 

[gumdrops]

it is true tho that hip hop got darker in the mid 90s (eg - all that new world order talk, busta going on and on about the world ending and wu tang and poor righteous teachers etc talking about judgement day coming etc). of course theres always been competing strains at the same time (so there were still happier more fun carefree tracks like flava in ya ear or whatever) the dominant strain of mid 90s east coast rap was darker and more serious, not just lyrically but musically too. there isnt anything 'happy' on albums like cuban linx, fat joes second album, illmatic or the infamous is there?