Go on then.. who's the best UK MC?

luka

luka

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grime was over by about 05 let alone late noughties tbh i was out of the country in road rap peak years so i cant really weigh in on it too much.
 
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trilliam

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luka said:
grime was over by about 05 let alone late noughties tbh

fuck radio come out in 06, axefm was entering its peak years these times, logan sama on a monday was still instant. mixtape madness was taking over (vital). the tempo specialist school of grime with the sped up chipmunk soul samples or w/e defo was in d decline phaze but nonetheless them years were good n def not important/not worth remembering

i was out of the country in road rap peak years so i cant really weigh in on it too much.
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trilliam

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without that period u missing a vital part of the story/knowledge

glad u think u can be an authority on something with only half the dissertation though
 
luka

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lost you there mate, the analogy was a bit adavanced maybe. what are you trying to say?
 
luka

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most people had moved on to funky house by 06 cos they didnt want to listen to the movement showing how technical they are,or tune into nasty and get fobbed off with lightning and them
 
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CrowleyHead

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droid said:
Not trying to be presumptuous here, but what Im taking from this is that you havent listened to a lot of dancehall records/stageshows/soundtapes.
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You proposed that the vocalist being the domineer of dancehall shows their superiority in quality MC and I challenged a lot of that, but that's because I argue that what makes for great MCing in a Ninjaman is actually not a positive in a MC in grime's context.

@luka; I think that the Gimmick flow thing is overstated by me but it is reflective enough if its invovled in the generation of flows. Flirta is obviously the best at doing that but nobody in their right mind would want to hear a whole Marcie Phonix & Hypa Fenn album.

Actually though a good definition would be how Rugrat from Musical Mobb was so impressive on grime, but now listening to him doing road rap is like slowly dying of cancer in a hospital bed.
 
droid

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trilliam said:
so what separates us hip from road rap? technique, subject matter, style, all interchangeable really and truly

the criteria you listed there is pretty subjective, inventiveness? vocal quality?

is it harder to ride a slow reggae beat or a skippy 130 production and sit on it like it is a slow reggae beat?

anyway in terms of flow, rhyme structure, lyrics i dont think it's close, ability wise we're talking about different leagues here unless you wanna say sugarhill gang is the pinnacle of rapping

there's certain things dancehall mcs have over grime mcs/rappers most notably stage presence because they're more performers than spitters, i wouldn't even lump delivery in with stage presence so yeah thats it

not to minimise their contribution to uk music or whatever but in terms of technique that shit is pretty much stone age and you could never convince me otherwise, much less that the best uk mc comes from reggae sorry
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lol. Y'know Daddy Freddy was the fastest MC in the world for about 20 years dont you? That there's plenty of dancehall tunes that roll out at 100bpm+ with double time vocals?

There's barely a handful of grime MC's that would have made it onto the wings of the stage at a dancehall gig anytime in the 80's or 90's, and as for road rap vs US hip hop? Where is the UK's Rakim, Chuck D, Guru, Busta or Dirty?
 
droid

droid

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CrowleyHead said:
You proposed that the vocalist being the domineer of dancehall shows their superiority in quality MC and I challenged a lot of that, but that's because I argue that what makes for great MCing in a Ninjaman is actually not a positive in a MC in grime's context.
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I proposed that Dancehall at its decade+ long peak produced the best MC's in the world, and one reason is the fact that deejays could hold their own over a band or a selector, on stage, in a dance, or in the studio.

Ninjaman would kill any grime rave, even now.
 
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droid

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Plenty of good grime MC's a few great ones, but I cant think of a single crew that could hold a candle to Saxon at their prime. They took on Kingston and New york and conquered the world.
 
luka

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Saxons a lot tbh get more respect for them with every set I listen to, sir coxsone too
 
luka

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I just feel wrong choosing someone from that scene over grime cos it's more derivative (with all due respect to fast tongue etc etc)
 
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trilliam

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droid said:
lol. Y'know Daddy Freddy was the fastest MC in the world for about 20 years dont you? That there's plenty of dancehall tunes that roll out at 100bpm+ with double time vocals?

im not just talking about spitting double time hundred mile an hour bars with no care for delivery, lyrics or none of that, like i said make a 130bpm beat sound like lovers rock, from you missed that nuance u must not know/care too much for the technical side of emceeing

There's barely a handful of grime MC's that would have made it onto the wings of the stage at a dancehall gig anytime in the 80's or 90's
is this the criteria for being the best uk mc now, why do the goalposts keep moving

and as for road rap vs US hip hop? Where is the UK's Rakim, Chuck D, Guru, Busta or Dirty?
when u first started talking about best mc and all that it was ability, you said on ability the only thing close to reggae is us hip hop now you wanna talk history/lineage? like i said before to say an mc out of the reggae era or whatever is better in ability than any grime mc is just foolishness, like saying sugar hill are better than vado
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trilliam

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no one that has put pen to paper to come up with some bars and has a real appreciation for the craft would ever try and make the kinda comparisons im seeing in here

i used to write lyrics (prolifically) and even if i didnt just from listening to rap n mc led genres i can tell u that for free.
 
droid

droid

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when u first started talking about best mc and all that it was ability, you said on ability the only thing close to reggae is us hip hop now you wanna talk history/lineage? like i said before to say an mc out of the reggae era or whatever is better in ability than any grime mc is just foolishness, like saying sugar hill are better than vado
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lol. Come back to me in 20 years when grime has produced more than a handful of world class MC's.
 
luka

luka

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I won't take the Piss, even if it turns out you cant write. But it will show me what you look for in an mcs writing. I need to see if you are simple minded or if you have an ear
 
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trilliam

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droid ur whole rhetoric is garbage

im here picking apart your points tryna argue them individually/honestly rather than some strawman shit meanwhile here u are just being smarmy talkin crap

my fault for giving u more respect than necessary though, anyone who says the best uk mc came about 30 years ago is obviously not worth listening to

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luka lol @ thinking i have suttin to prove, i dont need ur appraisal or anyone elses for that matter, im a student of the game snm

done with this thread now

whats the point in arguing on a music site when guys would rather lol their way through explanations for their outlandish statements or draw a line under everything they didnt listen to as disposable/not worth checking for
 
luka

luka

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I did listen to it r u Mad? Give us a lyric don't be nervous I'm very supportive of young talent trying to get a foot in the door
 
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