THOUGH I'M GOING TO 2:31 IN BRUM FOR NEW YEARS AND HAVE A SPARE TICKET IF ANYONE WANT TO COME AND GET MASHED?!?!
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idk, I've seen the Hessle guys on two occasions this year (UFO b2b Pearson b2b Pangaea at Robert Johnson in Frankfurt and UFO last weekend in Cologne) and both parties had people dancing a lot the whole time, until like 6 am.
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Somebody needs to write about how the gentrification of East London is effecting the hardcore (nowadays, softcore) continuum. Honestly people in east london clubs look at me funny when I buss a gun finger and scream for a reload of big tracks :/
Tah! What didn't you agree with and what about the Jackin stuff did you like? I've not actually been to a Jackin rave yet THOUGH I'M GOING TO 2:31 IN BRUM FOR NEW YEARS AND HAVE A SPARE TICKET IF ANYONE WANT TO COME AND GET MASHED?!?!
This year I've probably spent more time raving at events I've helped to put on/DJed at than out. Experiences of UK bass hate come from maybe 3-4 VERY disappointing Hessel Audio/Hyperdub events at places like Fabric, Bussey Building etc. Last really good rave I went to was Deep Medi at Corsica Studios, which was really great, though obviously a bit retro.
With regard Post Dubstep / UK Bass I think you are a little harsh. Some of it is good and until the Jackin' / Lorenzo explosion this year was top of the pack.
but really I mean Hessel Audio nights are full of grumpy fashion people not dancing.
I do see what you're saying, and it's difficult to tell whether part of the merit I find in it is inspired by my preconceptions along nuum-lines of how music should be. I'm sure that does play some part. Still, I do think that overall, that's less the case than the opposite - which is that music created along those scienius lines just appeals to me more as a listener, raver, DJ, and that my support for the theory comes from my experience of the music, not the other way round. Jackin and footwork provide support for the idea that a scenius dynamic consistently provides for more interesting music, in other worlds.
datwun said:Hessel Audio nights are full of grumpy fashion people not dancing.
Love this. One of the highlights of my career that night. Will never forget that.
I don't get why it seems to be an either/or thing for you guys, except as an expression of fervent nuum-belief - this idea that one of these two sounds is the potential next iteration, the next in line, and outside of that they essentially have no value. In reality they've clearly got v little to do with each other, other than shared ref points.
I dig the enthusiasam for jackin', even if I don't hear it myself but you can't throw Hessle or even Joy O against the wall just because you like it and your trying to find an excuse for doing so outside of just you know liking the sound and being bored of people in clubs in london I mean they've been ace this year...
... Clutch by pearson sound, this was a pretty spotless year for them id say.
... the 2 rashad albums from last year were overrated which is why ive not bothered with teklife vol 1 yet.
i think the co-inciding of *east* london in these two circles (gents/gentrification & the hardcore nuum) is largely a fluke. once you remove the east bit you'll probably find that people who were fashionable/middle class never overlapped with those who originally took a gun finger as a compliment. it's only the rise of old st/hoxton/dalston as middle class/fashionable areas that has made this comparison even possible.
[minor but relevant case in point. first time i saw gunshot-as-bigup in action was someone who went up to within an inch of doc scott's face at metalheadz @ blue note (hoxton square) and mimicked blowing his entire head off as a compliment. Took a little adjusting to that one, at the time...]
- but yeah we're probably in agreement really, that scene has felt a lot less exciting since 2010/11 when it peaked for me, and jackin has totally filled that void, especially for me living in Leeds... we're spoilt really by the sheer amount of bangers dropping week after week (a lot better than last year, waiting 2 months for 'cactus' to come out and realising its not even that good)
(seeing Tom Zanetti perform 'You Want Me' live and EVERYONE in the place knowing the words was a big moment for me this year)
Find me a night in January and I'm there! All my closest friends in London are riding the #jackinwave but it's VERY difficult organising people to take a road trip. It does show you the importance of locality really though, because even though I'm taking part in the scene as a DJ, blogger etc. it's the simple fact that by not living in the right cities, I don't have access to the club scene - and that's only living one train ride away!I also need more jackin soldiers to go out with tbh
I'm also a massive footwork fan so agreed mostly with what you had to say there - interesting what you say about the UK tempering it instead of roughing it up - but i dont think just because Addison Groove made footcrab at 140 means its automatically less interesting, its just tempo...
But yeah i personally wanna see more of a return to 160+ in the UK too, footwork is the way forward but something has to be done with it, and by that i dont just mean fusing it with jungle for the sake of making it more UK sounding. i dunno, im trying to do a lickle something ...
doubt footwork will be anything more than something for producers to dabble in unless there are regular clubs for it and it becomes a scene in itself...
I don't get why it seems to be an either/or thing for you guys, except as an expression of fervent nuum-belief - this idea that one of these two sounds is the potential next iteration, the next in line, and outside of that they essentially have no value. In reality they've clearly got v little to do with each other, other than shared ref points.
I went to a Hessle @ Fabric recently and it was pretty static. But that's a ldn thing more than a hessle thing - when I've seen them elsewhere the crowd have been up for it. Big clubbing cities have always been blighted by vain, fickle, un-committed crowds.
no point in doing the nuum predictions game in my experience. but jackin prob wont catch on in london, its just the new bassline really.
im genuinely staggered that this is still being talked about in this way. its not as if the arguments involved on either side have become any more nuanced over the past 10 or however many years that people have been bickering about it. i joined this place in 2005 i think and all that's changed are the usernames.
ive been to more than you, and this isn't true, but sorry you had a bad time. the most memorable club moments of my whole life have all been this year, and have all involved a lot of people dancing to fun, interesting and weird music that i never expected could have that kind of communal effect
Oh it's not that the people are the same, but that they're now inhabiting the same space. There's also definitely some dialogue going on in that space as well, like Butterz which is an authentic grime label with releases from some of the old dons, but is really popular among hipsters, or even if you look at grime videos today and see how hipster-influenced street fashion has become (yoots wearing skinny jeans and shit). I'm just saying that the spiritual home of UK dance music (East London) has become gentrified at the same time as UK dance music has gentrified, it would make sense that there's some connection.
The hipster thing is weird man. If I was white people would probably call me a hipster too.
I'm glad it's been a good year for you! Honestly, I know all the Hessel guys are safe as fuck and you all really believe in what you're pushing. Just as a dancefloor experience it's really not for me and I think the scene as a whole's gone too much in that esoteric direction.