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    Sorry but i’m not going to read someone’s “Random Thoughts”

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    Quote Originally Posted by john eden View Post
    Sorry but i’m not going to read someone’s “Random Thoughts”
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    Sorry but i’m not going to read someone’s “Random Thoughts”
    i don’t blame you, ‘lord hugh r.adumass’ / serrius doc is well dada.. imo it’s worth wadeing through..

    my previous linked rupert ‘read’ doc is more widely read - so read that one first.

    I re-read your lib-com blog link, as my response was unduly flippant.
    There are two accusations as i understand it.
    1) XR is an Autocracy
    2) XR does not respect that ACAB.

    1) Apart from not citing any evidence, he’s right. Initially this was basically a dozen peeps who designed the april rebellion.Since then there has been significant restructured, with hundred of groups worldwide designing thier own actions, but keeping to the xr values. Admittedly this criticism was only published recently, but it was actually written just after the april rebellion.

    2) Totally missing the point, so clearly does not get it, while also quoting evidence out of context. XR always has framed arrest as something the privileged can only safely do. XR owned the plod in april, had them chasing thier tails, and basically told them what to do. The tactic used totally took state by surprise, i saw many police crying. They were a mess for them....... However this summer they turned the tables, using the XR tactics to thier advantage, and made a mockery of xr.

    imo. i would also add that the ACAB argument plays into a narrative of power that is limited by definitions of force, bribery and coercion. Leaving victims unable to exploit other forms of power. Like those used in April. Additionally the othering of any group, goes against the aim of non-violence (in the MLKing way), and the conserve-ative message that we are one group to protect. XR holds both political sides of the argument as one. remember xr are the pacifist fluffies.

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    Thought it was interesting myself.

    Splitting seems inevitable. Some people are going to be more willing/prepared to take violent direct action than others, its better that there are seen as separate entities, and it's becoming increasingly clear that's what's going to have to happen. The state is completely unprepared for disruptive attacks on infrastructure from within, and in many cases the targets are simply not physically defensible anyway.

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    this document is being heavily read at the moment:
    https://www.lifeworth.com/deepadaptation.pdf

    beyond borders action is on at the moment.. https://theecologist.org/2019/jul/28...ate-apocalypse

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    NHS reports protester to Prevent for joining Extinction Rebellion - https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...tion-rebellion

    A retired doctor who took part in non-violent environmental protests was visited by police at his home after his local NHS trust reported him to the government’s counter-terrorism programme.

    Lyn Jenkins, 69, joined the Extinction Rebellion environmental campaign after he became convinced that urgent action was needed to avert climate breakdown.

    His local NHS trust referred him to Prevent, the government’s flagship programme designed to stop people from becoming terrorists.

    Jenkins had sought help from the trust as he wanted to overcome his claustrophobia and believed he might experience panic attacks in a police cell if he was arrested. He had explicitly told the trust that he wanted to be arrested during Extinction Rebellion protests.

    Jenkins criticised Oxford Health NHS Foundation Trust for referring him to the anti-terrorism programme when he was merely involved in a non-violent group that sought to raise awareness about the threat of climate chaos and could not in any way be considered a terrorist.

    He said: “Extinction Rebellion is, above all, a non-violent movement. Labelling peaceful protesters as terrorists leaves them, and the world as a whole, in a more perilous position.”

    A government source said Prevent decided a day after receiving the referral that no further action was needed. A police source suggested two officers had visited Jenkins at home to check on his wellbeing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ome View Post
    this document is being heavily read at the moment:
    https://www.lifeworth.com/deepadaptation.pdf
    http://www.dissensus.com/showthread.php?t=14482

    Quote Originally Posted by ome View Post
    beyond borders action is on at the moment.. https://theecologist.org/2019/jul/28...ate-apocalypse
    I think xr will be on manoeuvres at DSEI this week https://www.stopthearmsfair.org.uk/

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    whoops Roger got nicked, i wonder if the plan is to keep him til the 20th

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    idiot white middle class man. advertising a crime weeks beforehand is never a good look. by all means get arrested if u want to, but fucking commit the bloody crime first.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdform View Post
    idiot white middle class man. advertising a crime weeks beforehand is never a good look. by all means get arrested if u want to, but fucking commit the bloody crime first.
    be interesting to see what happens now, it was always designed to be leaderless..
    i do know the the police tactics have changed, but xr’s has not. let’s see how both those a things go..

    here was his last talk: it’s a bit dark. so make sure u can sit down and have a strong cup of tea and a hug standing by.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdform View Post
    idiot white middle class man. advertising a crime weeks beforehand is never a good look. by all means get arrested if u want to, but fucking commit the bloody crime first.
    quite agree, it is a deliberate chosen tactic - in itself the announcement creates disruption and amplifies the event though, which is all successful on its own terms. by announcing the evnt they get to define those terms - including poking fun by saying they won't pose a genuine threat but will provoke a genuine response. That only worked somewhat as the cops apparently "jammed" the drone signals, so there was no big spectacle, and also no airport shutdown. without the announcement there'd have been nothing much at all. so i don't know, as a drama it was moderately successful, and perhaps that's the whole objective, if so it's a misconceived strategy imho - as an action it was a loss - several arrests with only publicity to show for it.
    also Roger was not satisfied in being arrested for announcing a plan to drone near Heathrow, i believe that as soon as he was released he want and did it in order to get re-arrested - is that right? is he still inside? i wonder how far he is consciously demonstrating solidarity with all the xr activists he's encouraged to get locked up. as you say ome the movement is designed to be driverless, but there's still seems to be a fair bit of glorious martyrdom personality cultism going on there - they are strong on establishing group-think more than operationally effective so far...

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    Quote Originally Posted by sufi View Post
    operationally effective
    sorry, not to knock the demos which have been unprecedented and awesome, but no concessions achieved so far - & maybe raising awareness just raises the stakes

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    yep self organising system are new and tough to do.. so easy to fall into old patterns of hero’s, victims and villain!!

    here is is video from yesterday from prison:

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    oh and here is the same message from the other half of xr

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    Quote Originally Posted by ome View Post
    oh and here is the same message from the other half of xr
    this is great and everyone should view it

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    this week seems to be going ok, 8/12 sites still occupied apparently,



    i'm intrigued about the xr "policy" on police. Activist types criticise them endlessly for this in most patronising terms, i wonder whether it's more deliberate - xr are disdainful of activism, though there are seasoned activists among them who know the ropes. But i haven't seen any activist type asking that question: what are the reasons why you are soft on cops?

    has the cops' "new strategy" made any difference? what even is it? cops in soft hats and shirtsleeves and purple rubber gloves trashing tents in front of the press in whitehall in the rain on the telly

    & meanwhile xr is doing pop-up non-violent performance art eco-terrorism in symbolic locations

    the season is harsher though, this is definitely round 2.
    both sides are more prepared, more committed? more entrenched? 100s more have been arrested by now & roger is in prison

    everyone should be supporting them as long as they keep on challenging the deathstar, because who else is out there atm?

    looking forward to my next update from our mole ome

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