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    I suppose what I meant was to be machievellean and have genuine left-wing principles.

    Campbell, e.g., helped engineer the Iraq war. By lying. Surely that's not left-wing?

    Being machievellean must be more of a right-wing thing because it means being extremely ruthless to other people, suggesting not the most empathetic of characters.
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    If you are going to define left wing as 'saintly' the arguments circular. What's the point

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    Well, there's 'saintly' and there's 'stopping short of lending support to an illegal war that will kill thousands'.

    But I guess he might have thought it would ultimately be justified.
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    Depends how you would define Machiavellian. Is it to be completely amoral in pursuit of political gain, or is it to grant their political mission higher moral priority than the acts it commands?

    There's definitely a big "the ends justifies the means" belief to much of modern radical leftist circles. Punching nazis, online doxxing tactics etc.

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