rolling back to the future garage/post-dubstep/alt-funkstep/intelli-2step etc thread
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Corpsey
bandz ahoy
Basically agree with all of this. I think there was something slightly pretentious/self-consciously 'dark' about some of the dubstep tunes that I got into the genre through, but I don't think that really acted against them, for me those tunes created an intense mood as effectively as a horror/sci-fi film. I liked some of that coldness/dead-eyed-repetitiveness in dubstep, just as I used to like it in DNB (everyone likes getting loved up on drugs but its also quite perversely enjoyable getting horribly wired/paranoid - or maybe that's just me? lol!).
Besides, I remember going to DMZ in 2007 and there actually being quite an emotional range to the music as a whole; the 'darkness' of Mala tunes is generally completely different to the 'darkness' of Loefah tunes, for example. And more importantly the rhythms seemed immensely danceable to me as soon as I went to a dubstep night, I think all those classic tunes from 2006/7 by Skream/Mala/D1 etc. are amazing to dance to.
benjybars
village elder.
yep. i'd say it's pretty impossible not to dance when you hear something like request line or blue notez on a proper system..
Slothrop
Tight but Polite
Yeah, I mean being a bit pretentious only really becomes a problem when the tunes aren't amazing. At that point, a lot of the tunes were amazing, so no problem.
Also all true.
Right, but...
...if you're swamping and overwhelming me with eclecticism, then it's your fault. Not saying you do this, in particular. Just saying that for every one DJ who plays myriad genres with obvious aesthetic connections (e.g. Kode 9) there are ten DJ's who just play a purposeless set of everything that goes nowhere and says nothing, sometimes in the space of one hour. It's a bit unfair to put all the burden of focus on the listener.
EDIT: I'd also say part of the burden also falls on the person booking the night as well, in making sure that all the DJ's selected to play also will, taken together, produce that common ground.
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UFO over easy
online mahjong
there have always been people who do things badly
agreed
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you cant have it both ways though can you. It's not that uncommon for people to be saying I love "insert genre here" but I wouldn't want to listen to a whole night of it, and people complaining about how nights will only cater for a very specific off-shoot of a certain type of music, I here D&B heads go on about it all the time.
With all the "future bass" stuff eclecticism in sets is unavoidable imo as its pretty much a hub for all these producers that are into, and taking influence from, a lot of different styles of music, house, garage, dubstep, funky etc.
Personally I find it pretty refreshing to have a style of music that is impossible to define on its own terms, and that is pretty difficult to describe to anyone that hasn't listened to it. For those that know and all that.
Early dubstep had a basic mantra of sparse beats and heavy sub-bass, with people approaching it and interpreting it from different angles. Whats going on now is an amalgamation of similar music tastes, where I think the internet has helped to join the dots for people in that respect.
With all the "future bass" stuff eclecticism in sets is unavoidable imo as its pretty much a hub for all these producers that are into, and taking influence from, a lot of different styles of music, house, garage, dubstep, funky etc.
Personally I find it pretty refreshing to have a style of music that is impossible to define on its own terms, and that is pretty difficult to describe to anyone that hasn't listened to it. For those that know and all that.
Early dubstep had a basic mantra of sparse beats and heavy sub-bass, with people approaching it and interpreting it from different angles. Whats going on now is an amalgamation of similar music tastes, where I think the internet has helped to join the dots for people in that respect.
Tentative Andy
I'm in the Meal Deal
^Not sure I'd say that something being difficult to describe is a good thing in itself.
But my 2 cents would prob be that the post-dubstep/'130' stuff is actually quite a lot more focussed and coherent than it was a year ago, and mostly in a good way.
Anyway, I really just popped in here to say that I liked those Zed Bias and Boddika sets from Boiler Room a lot. The Boddika one esp was a nice surprise, because I hadn't been too mad about the tune I'd heard from him before.
But my 2 cents would prob be that the post-dubstep/'130' stuff is actually quite a lot more focussed and coherent than it was a year ago, and mostly in a good way.
Anyway, I really just popped in here to say that I liked those Zed Bias and Boddika sets from Boiler Room a lot. The Boddika one esp was a nice surprise, because I hadn't been too mad about the tune I'd heard from him before.
Where is it focussing though?
I remember when I used to go dubstep nights here in Finland, I was one of the few people dancing in double time. Sometimes dancefloor crew would wave their hand in half time like in some hiphop gig... Maybe proper dancing were just too feminine/uncool for them - Finland is a heavy metal country afterall...
Yeah it was fun and interesting trying to figure for first time how to dance it. It was fresh feel dancing to dubstep!! First time I used to do sometimes a move, where I would alongside "normal" moves do little jump and smash my feet into the ground when the halftime snare hitSectionfive said:
What I found so genius in halfstep beats, were that they were fast and slow in same time. That was before 70bpm halfstep tho...
Tentative Andy
I'm in the Meal Deal
More focussed tempo-wise - stuff at 130 or slightly either side of it - and I would say more focussed beat/structure wise in terms of mostly taking at least some influence from house/4x4. (Obviously it's using those influences in lots of quite different ways though, which is a good thing). Scene-wise I think it's more together too, people are more in touch with each other, sharing bills, sending each other tunes.
Obviously I'm not trying to say it can be reduced to 1 single style or idea, and probably you can't yet give it a single name either, but I don't think people saying (whether in a good or bad sense) that it's one massive, indecipherable eclectic blur are quite on the mark either.
Sectionfive
bandwagon house
This is where the DJ comes in, hasn't changed one bit since Mancuso surely.
If there does need to be focus, surely its up to the individual DJ to decide what that is.
With regards to focussing I really couldn't care less.
Dubstep for a few years was my focus and in retrospect I put too much into it; my record collection is heavily skewed in the direction of it, and I got too emotionally attached to it.
Now i'm just going after my own focus - finding tracks that regardless of genre, tempo or social context fit into my own niche and style.
Dubstep for a few years was my focus and in retrospect I put too much into it; my record collection is heavily skewed in the direction of it, and I got too emotionally attached to it.
Now i'm just going after my own focus - finding tracks that regardless of genre, tempo or social context fit into my own niche and style.
This
I think the lack of focus is quite refreshing at the moment. Probably helps that I haven't been to as many nights recently so haven't heard many recent tunes out either
Sectionfive
bandwagon house
Thought as much, is it closer to either 38 or okzharp type stuff?
Or something different all together?
Some of the tracks are similar to their forthcoming hyperdub release, which is on a mix I did. Some of the stuff is completely different though, some really nice sample placement in the tunes, especially dig the chopped up vocals. sorry for the spam there also
Kode 9 on the Essential Mix - http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00yyg2s
He'd probably hate being in the 'post-dubstep' thread, but that's too bad
He'd probably hate being in the 'post-dubstep' thread, but that's too bad
CrowleyHead
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